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HDD dead or no dead?

Hi all, I hope everyone is well Happy

I manage to muddle through on computery things, but am I novice and its probably sheer luck, so bear with me!

I have an old Toshiba satellite laptop.. hmm probably 6 years old now, it came with windows 8.1 on it, so can't be much older, hopefully!!
(Its now running windows 10 upgrade.)

Its not used often, anymore. I keep it as a back up, and occasionally use some old software on it. Recently, I tried to turn it on as normal, and it came up with command prompt screen saying no bootable device was found. I googled the message and tried a few things (like switching boot order in BIOS, taking it out and reconnecting it), but nothing work.... HDD has failed, I thought.

I bought a cheap enclosure and have plugged the HDD into my working laptop. I can see everything on it. I have scanned it, and the scan returned as all normal. Which is great, I'll take that! I haven't lost anything. And I figure there is learning opportunity here (I just like to faff!)

But now I am not sure what could be wrong? I don't want to invest time and money into cloning the HDD if I am completely off base?

And I wondered if you lovely people would mind offering your thoughts?? Would it work on the enclosure if it was kaput? Is there anything else that would cause this issue on the laptop?

Happy to answer any questions as not sure what information would be useful!!

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My usual after this.

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Since no files need to be saved I boot up my W10 install and repair USB stick (free, made with the Microsoft Media creation kit which you find with google) and then do a clean install.

Post was last edited on September 9, 2018 9:19 AM PDT

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Clean install

In reply to: My usual after this.

Hi - I have a piece of old software on the machine which I wouldn't be able to replace, so I am trying to salvage, if possible... however, its also a bit of a challenge to see if I can fix it, I like learning Happy

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In such cases. The owner SHALL have backups.

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If they don't, then this is when they learn the backups are not optional.

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The owner does

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I have a back up, in fact I have the newer version of this software on two other laptops. The old version is no longer available, and even if I had its application file, I couldn't re-license it, as you have to call the company to get a fresh key - which they'd no longer give out for that version. The data files are backed up, and I have accessed them on the newer software - I'd just like to keep the old version, if possible. It wont really matter if I cant. I am trying to fix the laptop to challenge myself and learn, more than anything Happy

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Then on a busted clone copy try.

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EasyRE. It claims to fix such systems. But the idea overall is that since 1995 Windows natively blocks moving an app from machine to machine. You can try it but I rarely see folk succeed.

The idea is if you need this app is to keep it on the old machine then use a remote desktop to it when need be or move it into a VM. There are articles about taking an entire drive and booting that image in a VM. Google about HDD to VHD use.

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Bootrec

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Hello! Thanks for your reply.

I've followed your link. I created a windows media USB and that was with the 1803 version, from Microsoft. Start up repair said it couldn't repair the machine, so I ran the bootrec stuff. It said access was denied when I tried to do Bootrec /fixboot. I then took to Google and saw that it might be related to the version of Windows.

I managed to find the 1703 version of the Windows and create a USB. Start up repair looked promising at one point, saying it was attempting repairs, but then said it couldn't repair. I went into command prompt...

Bootrec /fixmbr - successful
Bootrec /fixboot - now successful
Bootrec /scanOs - identifies 1 installation on the C drive
Bootrec /rebuildbcd - asks if I want to add installation to boot list Y, N or A (all)
If I select Yes or All, it says the requested device cannot be found

Ive done Diskpart /sel disk 0 / list vol and I see

0 = the CD
1 = C Drive/NTFS/Partition/920GB/Healthy (no info)
2 = No letter/System/NTFS/Partition/1024MB/healthy/Hidden
3= No letter/No label/FAT32/Partition/100MB/Healthy/Hidden
4 = No letter/Recovery/NTFS/Partition/9GB/healthy/Hidden
5 = D/USB Stick Name/FAT32/Removable/7387MB/Healthy/(no info)

I am not sure what to do now :/

Should I have 3 hidden volumes? I didn't think C should be. I think I need to give a letter to Vol3 so that I can run EFI\Microsoft\Boot\ and I have no idea what Vol4 is?

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No idea

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What the w10 partition scheme looks like as I don't have it to look at.

Also one of those partitions could be a left over from the upgrade.

C is not hidden.

Your working toward a w10 install.

You can try the option to install and save your files.

If that does not work then perhaps get another hdd and do a clean install on it.

Then you can put your old hdd in an enclosure and copy back your stuff.

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boot a USB or DVD Linux Mint

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Open it's file manager, usually clk on the "home" icon on the desktop. That will allow you to see if the files on the HDD can be accessed. If so, will need something to copy them onto. If can't see the files, there's a program called GParted on it which will allow you
to view the partitions on the drive, see if they are still there at least. In current GParted there is also a section for data recovery that is fairly good, give it a shot.

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Well if the HD is readable in an enclosure that

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may indicate the the SATA cable is bad or the mobo itself has failed (at least the part used to connect the drive), Typically if a HD is failing they do give out a warning before they fail completely. So it looks like something other then the HD was the issue.

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Repair MBR of a HDD

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For me it's looks like boot sector is damaged all the way.As your HDD is not bootable any more.but its storage is working.So we can solve this problem but its not very effient.Watch this video and Follows the steps shown in the video.You have to repair MBR of HDD.
Link of the video.
https://ytube.pk/watch/B0TR7AXw0mg

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Play safe...

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While it appears OK, I would clone it anyways to a new drive. That way you have a working copy and probably continue to use the old laptop. If the problem presists on old laptop then probable problem with it and not just the old HD as you thought. Of course if cost is a factor, take that into acct. Old laptop may not be worth added costs. Then think replacement, but since the old HD and working copy are OK, at least the data is available.

tada -----Willy Happy

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