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Hard Drive only works by itself in my computer.

by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 7:56 PM PDT

Hard Drive only works by itself in my computer. If I attach another IDE hdd my computer does not recognise either of them. This problem only happens with this hard drive. Any solutions please?

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We'll need to know about your cables and
by Steven Haninger / April 16, 2010 8:24 PM PDT

jumper settings on both drives you want to attach. The best way, with newer drives, is to use an 80 conductor cable and set jumpers to CS (cable select). The 80 conductor cable has a specific way it needs to be connected to the MB. The important thing to note is that the blue connector goes to the motherboard.

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by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:09 PM PDT

Hi I am the same person whom you answered in the win xp forum about the sata drivers.
Both hd's are IDE
When I plug in my maxtor hard drive with my cd both are recognised

When I plug in my western digital hard drive with my cd drive neither are recognised however this hard drive is recognised by itself when the cd drive is not connected.

So I feel that this one hard drive (western digital) which is only being recognised by itself has a problem. Any solutions please. I tried using jumpers.

I only have one ide connector. I need to get this working so I can install windows on it. Please assist

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worked in another pc before but not anymore
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:12 PM PDT
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This WD faulty hd worked as a slave in my other pc before. Today i formatted it and was going to install Windows and found that when I plugged in this hd, both ide connections were not being recognised

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Jumpers
by Steven Haninger / April 16, 2010 11:06 PM PDT

I don't know the model #s, size or age of your Maxtor and WD drives but can tell you that I've never seen a specific jumper standard shared by all drive manufacturers or even between product lines from the same manufacturer. Since you mentioned using a HD with a CD ROM, I can tell you that this can often through a real monkey wrench into the works. Be careful of "Master" settings. Some will allow that setting if only one drive is installed and some consider that the master jumper position means that a slave exists and you cannot use it with a single HD. What you need is the instructions from the manufacturer for each drive model to figure out their scheme. Unfortunately the only experiences I've ever had with Maxtor drives have been bad so I avoid them. I also avoid trying to mix drives from other manufacturers or even vintages. If one is older IDE and one is called an EIDE, ultra ATA, etc., I wouldn't mix them on the same cable. Maybe if you know the HD model #s that might help dig up better information about what jumper settings are valid.

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Let's say
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / April 16, 2010 10:07 PM PDT

That you get all the cables and jumpers right. Here's what you need to know. Once in awhile you will find a drive that will not tolerate any second IDE device. This may confuse the new to IDE technician. After the initial shock and after encountering this a few more times it dawns on the tech that not all IDE devices can coexist. Yes they should but the awful truth is that a few don't.

At least we have other solutions.

I'll leave jumper and cable discussions out of my replies since that's been done many times and there are plenty of web pages about that.
Bob

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Please Help
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:14 PM PDT
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Please Help

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Help with what?
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / April 16, 2010 10:15 PM PDT
In reply to: Please Help

I noted the usual and that jumpers and cables are widely documented. Can you be more specific?

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Worked earlier
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:17 PM PDT
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This WD faulty hd worked as a slave in my other pc before. Today i formatted it and was going to install Windows and found that when I plugged in this hd, both ide connections were not being recognised

I don't understand why it should not work now. Please help

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Sorry.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / April 16, 2010 10:21 PM PDT
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Parts do fail from time to time. Folk get the jumpers wrong. Some can't accept cable, jumper or hardware faults. Remember that I elected to not write about cables or jumpers as that's been done.

Here's one thought. Test each drive on its own.
Bob

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Yes
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:21 PM PDT
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As this pc works with other hard drives using the same cables I would expect it to work. I am quite sure that my jumpers settings are correct. Do you need an more details. Thanks

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Drives work on their own
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:23 PM PDT
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drives work on their own. No need to talk about cable and jumpers. I am sure they are correct. What would be the other cause please?

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Is it faulty
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:25 PM PDT

So Would y?ou say that the hard drive is probably faulty

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Sounds like a faulty drive.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / April 16, 2010 10:45 PM PDT

If the drives work one at a time but not together and you claim the cables and jumpers are fine then it's the usual problem I've seen over the years. Why not put these two each on their own IDE channel?

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can't
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:51 PM PDT

don't have another channel. I have other sata connectors but not another ide one

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And...
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:53 PM PDT
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Faulty drive works in a hard drive external enclosure

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Which is a problem I noted in my first reply.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / April 16, 2010 10:56 PM PDT
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Some techs can't wrap their head around that. And again the jumpers and cable types do matter. Well discussed but no where did I find where you told exactly what you used. Could be that issue I noted or could be the jumper and cable issues. But your posts omit details and I didn't duplicate web content on jumpers and cables.

Makes you wonder if it's one or the other usual issue.
Bob

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Thanks
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 10:59 PM PDT

Yeah you are right. Thanks for your help. this hdd was in my external enclosure and i attempted to install xp. Computer shutdown with some error. I then booted into the hdd and it continued to install. last question. will this still be a successful install

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thankyou
by ac1818 / April 16, 2010 11:02 PM PDT
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sorry,No need to answer question thanks a lot

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The only troubles I have with XP installs.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / April 16, 2010 11:02 PM PDT
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Is when the machine is SATA and can't emulate IDE. Then when we emulate IDE the IDE ports can become disabled. The vicious cycle begins.

My lesson on this is simple. Use an OS that supports SATA. Yes there are procedures that use a floppy drive but what to do when the floppy drive is broke, missing and the owner won't fix that?
Bob

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RIbbon Cable
by ac1818 / April 18, 2010 5:59 PM PDT

Hi Bob,

Just one question. If I have a faulty ribbon cable in a computer is it ok to swap it with another ribbon cable which fits in the computer and makes the computer work or would the new one spoil my computer.

Thanks,
AC

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IDE cables are
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / April 18, 2010 10:33 PM PDT

Pretty much a generic item. If you researched this you found 2 common models with 3 connectors and two ribbon cable types. If you use the older ribbon cable type the worst that could happen is the drive data is corrupted. The newer ribbon cable type can be used without issue except you have to set the jumpers and the drives must "like" each other.

I covered the old tech stumper earlier about drives that never work on the same IDE channel. This one has caused months of time lost for some techs. Some can't wrap their head about that.
Bob

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