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HANOI JANE WEIGHS IN

Dec 13, 2005 11:16PM PST

We haven't heard from Jane Fonda in awhile, but all that has changed. She has apparently adopted the tactics of The Poodle. Fonda came out recently and slandered U.S. troops by calling them all "killing machines." Merry Christmas to you too, Ms. Fonda.

Said Hanoi Jane to the Washington Post, about the killing machines, who weren't killing enough, causing the Military to change procedures: "When you put young people into an atrocity-producing situation where enemy and civilian are commingled, where the 'other side' is dehumanized, we cannot be surprised." Boy, it sure would be nice to see proof of all the atrocities American troops are committing in Iraq. Yet, for some reason, just like John Kerry and Vietnam...the evidence is lacking.

So what proof does she have of her theories? She says she was in secret meetings with military psychologists. What's next? Jane Fonda on Al-Jazeera trading rocket launchers with Al-Qaeda? Perhaps there's a role she could play in the next beheading video

she should have been shot for her actions during the nam war and again shes spouting lies
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

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And I suppose
Dec 13, 2005 11:25PM PST

it will be another thirty years before she apologizes to the troops. I hope every single one as they return home spits on HER for a change.

TONI

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MODERATORS!
Dec 13, 2005 11:33PM PST

To say that a personality like Jane Fonda (or any other peaceful and non-criminal person) should be shot is over the line IMO.

Please delete this thread and consider banning the poster. This is asking for assassination of a non-criminal person!

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Please don't tell me how to do my job
Dec 13, 2005 11:39PM PST

He didn't ask for her assassination...he said she should have been over 30 years ago since she herself admitted to harming our military with her actions. Perhaps a trial for treason would have been better but she skated off scott-free with an extremely late apology. Just as she will now.....

TONI

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I didn't tell YOU to do it!
Dec 13, 2005 11:44PM PST

I didn't even expect YOU to do it. But I guess it is OK to ask for GW's death as long as it is in reference to his past...

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when did gw become a traitor?
Dec 13, 2005 11:47PM PST

wheres the proof?

and asking or saying to kill the presidents a good way for the fbi contact youHappy

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Tibbs....
Dec 14, 2005 12:45AM PST

Though some here read and like the source of the post, some here do not, myself included. The report is the opinion of one person.

However it is an opinion shared by the poster, who served 2 tours in Vietnam, as well as some others here.

Neither you nor I can conceive of the horrors of that war that were actulaly experienced by those in the thick of it.

Personally, I do not know of one 'Nam veteran, family members included, who do not share the very negative opinion of Jane Fonda's actions there. She cared no more about the South Vietnamese, the military forces, or any victims than other celebrities who went to Nam to entertain and visit with the troops and the people there. This did not mean that they supported that war or war of any kind, nor were no less lovers of peace than she was. However, they were wise enough to realize that our troops were there, and they merited our support.

She used her celebrity in a destructive way, and will join the list of those who draw anger, that includes Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose.

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thank you angiline
Dec 14, 2005 12:50AM PST

you and the mods here say things so much better than i.
i let my emotions come out as you said and know i served there.

i am sorry if i caused the mods peobs with this post but ill stick with my feelings

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I'd like to clarify one thing, Mark
Dec 14, 2005 1:20AM PST

I am in no way defending what Jane Fonda did in Vietnam. I just think Boortz is misrepresenting her comments in this interview. Whether he's doing it unintentionally or on purpose only he knows.

As an aside (and to try to lighten the mood here a little), around 20 years ago I had a job as a waiter in a Greenwich Village restaurant owned by two brothers, one of whom was a Vietnam vet. Early in my employment he told me that he had very few rules but one of them was that if Jane Fonda ever walked in, we were to refuse to serve her and ask her to leave.

That never happened but one day Peter Fonda came in for lunch, with his not-yet-famous daughter Bridget. Since they had sat down in my section, I went over to my boss and asked if Peter was OK. He laughed and said "As long as his sister isn't with him."

BTW every now and then, just to bust my boss's chops, someone would suddenly shout "INCOMING!!!" just to see if he'd hit the deck.

Grin

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i agree josh
Dec 14, 2005 4:02AM PST

you dont judge a famially by the scummy traitors act.
if i ever meet her face to face i hope i can control my hate.

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I hope you can too
Dec 14, 2005 4:23AM PST

If you despise her that much, then she isn't worth going to prison over. Not to mention that it would reinforce the "killing machine" statement.

Better to tell her how you felt when she did it and make her confront the issue, right?

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id never lay a hand nor hurt her
Dec 14, 2005 4:45AM PST

but her ears would ringHappy

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Mis-representing? I don't think so Josh...
Dec 14, 2005 5:02AM PST
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/13/234848.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120800686.html

You can read it for yourself in her book "My Life So Far"--not even good fiction.

"This began," Fonda maintained, "because the military discovered that in World War II and Korea, soldiers weren't killing enough."
"So they changed training procedures" to teach troops how to commit atrocities.


Interesting how she reappears after Ramsey Clark showed up to defend Saddam. Ramsey Clark went to North Vietnam and Hanoi Jane did him one better by getting her picture seated at a AA gun--will she have a new picture showing her supportive participation planting a IED in Iraq?
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I might be late but I agree with you
Dec 14, 2005 11:32PM PST

I'm an old solder who missed Granada by being in basic training and missed Desert Shield by getting out a year or 2 earlier. I was never trained to commit crimes against civilians. I was however trained to target center mass on olive drab pop-up silhouettes.

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Oh...Toni is NOT one of those....
Dec 14, 2005 4:39AM PST

...you addressed in your subject line? Seems to me you'd do much better complying with your own declaration, to wit:

<<<< "I will stop posting! Not because you say it, but because I see that even the moderators are paranoid.

Bye everyone!"


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(NT) (NT) jack she cant help it
Dec 14, 2005 4:46AM PST
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I agree!
Dec 14, 2005 4:41AM PST

She should be.

Anything to say about her co-conspirator at the "Winter Soldier hearings", John F'n Kerry, recently calling our soldiers terrorists?

A really supportive statement for Kerry wouldn't you admit?

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"non-criminal person" ???? Let me know when the Jews........
Dec 14, 2005 6:19AM PST
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well tony i see tibbs as
Dec 14, 2005 6:22AM PST

a sympathizer she hasnt shown anything that would support diferent feelings.

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Boortz didn't read the Post article very carefully
Dec 13, 2005 11:46PM PST

1. The article is about the film ''Winter Soldier,'' which is about the Vietnam war, not Iraq.

2. The statement was not made by Ms. Fonda, but by a psychologist she says she spoke with, and was apparently made in 1971.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/08/AR2005120800686.html

In my book I talk about secret meetings I had with military psychologists who were really worried about what was happening to our combat personnel. 'We're turning them into killing machines,' one of them said to me.

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says what i read
Dec 14, 2005 12:02AM PST
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It seems to me, Josh...
Dec 14, 2005 12:34AM PST

Josh, it seems to me that the post that started this thread refered to things that she said in an email to the Washington Post. In it, among other things she mentioned the "Winter Soldier" hearings that she and John Kerry staged in 1971 according to the report that Mark saw. This e-mail was recent, not back in the past.

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The Post interview was conducted via e-mail
Dec 14, 2005 12:39AM PST

The subject of the interview was "Winter Soldier." The only time she ever mentioned Iraq was her statement, "Today the returning antiwar Iraq vets are being called 'unpatriotic.' We must listen to what they have to say."

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(NT) (NT) Read her book to disabuse yourself of that impression.
Dec 14, 2005 5:11AM PST
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So you read it?
Dec 14, 2005 10:15PM PST

I'm surprised; I didn't think you would.

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I also read Hanoi John's...
Dec 15, 2005 1:05AM PST

"Tour of duty", George Butler's "John Kerry: A Portrait", Bernard Fall's "Street Without Joy", Karl Marx's and Fredrich Engles' "The Communist Manifesto", Vo Nguyen Giap's "How We Won the War" and his "People's War, People's Army", and Peter G. MacDonald's "Giap: The Victor in Vietnam" as well as "Victory at Any Cost: The Genius of Vietnam's Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap", and "Mein Kampf" by Hitler and "Hitler's Second Book" by Gerhard L. Weinberg.

Like I was taught and always taught my troops, it is best to know your enemy. Unlike some seem to prefer doing I do not speak from ignorance and avoid clicking offered links--like you I actually try to read most all links offered.

Matter of fact, I would strongly recommend BOTH of the Giap Books as well as MacDonalds for those who do not believe how Demonstrators provide valuable aid and comfort to an enemy--they might open some eyes.

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that wont happen
Dec 15, 2005 1:24AM PST

because it would mean admitting being wrong and just look elections today never happen

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Whatever she was talking about in whatever context, I think
Dec 14, 2005 5:27AM PST

that by now she should have learned to keep her mouth shut. That's particularly true in the midst of a war.

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well she got away
Dec 14, 2005 5:41AM PST

with her tratiors tlk actions before she dosnt care

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(NT) (NT) How do you know?
Dec 14, 2005 1:01PM PST