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Question

GTX 1060 running better than GTX 1070

Aug 11, 2017 9:04AM PDT

Hi

maybe someone can help me out with a problem, basically I currently have a GTX 1060 6gb and my friend has just getting a GTX 1070 8GB yet on CINEBENCHR I get around 35 more fps than him, CSGO around 15 more and when playing PUBGS while in the plane I run at 50-60 yet he only gets 20-30, we both run with the same settings to, Any information appreciated

My Specs:
GTX 1060 6GB
i5 6600K
Biostar Z170X Ver. 5.x Motherboard
8GB DDR4

My friends:
GTX 1070 8GB
i7 4790
MSI H81M-E33
8GB DDR3

both run 1080p 60hz

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Fps
Aug 11, 2017 9:36AM PDT

Does your friend have the proper bios and drivers for that mobo?

The proper driver for the gpu?

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Fps
Aug 11, 2017 11:28AM PDT

He said he is up to date with his drivers, we have also tried 2 different nvidia drivers and Uninstalled them using a program so they are removed properly

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Have your friend
Aug 11, 2017 1:05PM PDT
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The link
Aug 12, 2017 7:26AM PDT
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Speccy
Aug 12, 2017 11:53AM PDT

I don't know how much this will help but your friend has the wrong ram.

He has 1333 running single channel.
What he wants is 2x4GB @ 1600.
Plug it in the proper slots to enable dual channel.

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thanks
Aug 13, 2017 6:55AM PDT

thanks for the reply i will pass on the information. cheers

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Ram
Aug 13, 2017 12:46PM PDT

Look in the bios for xmp.

Default settings are 1333 max.

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If they decide to enable, use XMP
Aug 13, 2017 12:58PM PDT

Be sure to have the BIOS current. One or the other PC showed an out of date BIOS and the notes in the new version mentioned improved or a fix for XMP issues.

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Op's choice
Aug 13, 2017 6:20PM PDT

I'd try it with the orig bios.

If things got wonky then I would consider a bios upgrade.

It's not a good area to upgrade unless needed.

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It's not that simple.
Aug 11, 2017 10:11AM PDT

There are areas of drivers, settings and at times the slot the cards are in. You have to examine all of these.

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Up to date
Aug 11, 2017 11:31AM PDT

We have tried different drivers for the card with same results, we ain't touched any settings in the bios, he only has the one slot on the mobo anyway

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There is an example out there
Aug 11, 2017 11:44AM PDT

Where the Nvidia cards underperfom on Ryzen CPUs. This is on the web so I won't dive into this.

Also there were some boards that were not really 16x PCIe slots.

You have a lot of detail you need to discover and ponder. That is, there are some dozen factors that could be in play here. Which one is it here?

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That Speccy reveals some issues with the 1070 machine.
Aug 12, 2017 10:03AM PDT

Right up top the RAM is in single channel mode. This means little overall (some peg it as a 10% ding in performance) BUT this is even worse when we talk about CPU to GPU performance as the memory to GPU channels are cut in half.

My bet is your 1060 computer is in dual channel mode. A speccy on the 1060 would be nice to have.
So with that highlighted, I will give the speccy report a read.

1. RAM is in single channel mode. Can have odd performance hits.
2. All temperatures look cool. The BIOS is current. Just commenting. Good to see this.

3. DUAL MONITORS. The more pixels that are pushed, the more you expect frame rates to drop. If your 1060 is driving the usual 1080p 60Hz monitor, right there you have a huge advantage.


Thanks for the Speccy. I see 2 areas that can explain the performance difference. Monitors and RAM configuration. Hope this helps you understand why your 1060 could hit higher FPS than the 1070.

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speccy
Aug 13, 2017 6:56AM PDT
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The 1060 Speccy shows it has an edge in RAM.
Aug 13, 2017 7:50AM PDT

Just as I suspected the 1060 machine has the edge in the memory configuration as it's in dual channel mode. So let's see what else can be found.

1. RAM is in dual channel mode. That's a good thing.
2. BIOS is a little outdated. If it ever BSODs or hangs too much I'd update it.
3. Dual monitors similar to other machine but may have an edge as both displays are nearly 1080p models. Long discussions about why this matters.

4. The motherboard runs DDR4 RAM. The 1070 is on DDR3.
Between the dual channel and DDR4 the 1060 base machine has advantages when moving data to from the GPU. Not just the single channel but a step back in RAM technology.

To close the gap I'd have to get the single channel machine to dual.

Anyhow, interesting comparison. There may be more such as driver versions and game setting choices along with an interesting find last month about mouse polling rates but I think there is no mystery here.

-> The builder of the 1060 machine made better choices and has the advantage.

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Thanks
Aug 13, 2017 8:57AM PDT

Thanks for the information dude, you think if the 1070 gets better ram the GPU should run properly?

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Sorry to disappoint
Aug 13, 2017 9:54AM PDT

But I would be repeating the above if I wrote it again. Good details help here and you did that.

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RAM
Aug 13, 2017 7:14AM PDT
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RAM
Aug 13, 2017 7:17AM PDT

Hi guys thanks for all the answers from you's, you guys mentioned about the RAM and when I looked the ram say's "for 2nd/3rd intel core generations" yet his motherboard is a 4th gen? this the problem you think?

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No
Aug 13, 2017 1:07PM PDT

Your friend has the proper type of ram for the cpu and the mobo.

If he wants to bump it up a notch set it to run at 1600.

Bump it up another notch with a dual channel kit.