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Great Color Laser Printer that still uses Fuser Oil????

Jul 13, 2007 1:20AM PDT

hi there -

I am pretty clueless when it comes to printers/computers and am in need of some help. We are a small business that uses a high quality transfer paper and we are looking for a quality color laser printer (PC compatible) that prints great color + B/W approx 500+ prints a month. BUT...one that still uses fuser oil.
Many of the new printers out there run far too hot and melt the paper before we can even use it. I have a list of several printers that I have been told work great with this type of paper, but I am so very lost and don't want to shell out $ on a so-so printer. I will list a few below if you any comments on them. I would LOVE any input you can provide me - thank you so much!

A few that were listed as ok with my paper:
HP laserjet 1500/2500, HP Laserjet V4/4MV
Epson Acu Laser 1500
Xerox 12; Docu 50 series; 4110; Phaser 8400
Tektronix 74
QMS Magicolor 2+ / 2200
OKI C9300

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Fuser oil?
Jul 13, 2007 6:13AM PDT

I've worked on many a pc printer old&new and never run across the term, "fuser oil", Please explain it more and maybe the term is simply another I know. I think all the printers you listed are robust basic laser printers as in nothing too special about them, I just don't see where fuser oil comes in other than maybe larger printer or "document stations" needs.

I tend to like Okidata & HP for real hd applications but all the others will do fine for your 500 prints/month.

tada -----Willy Happy

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Great older color laser printer
Jul 13, 2007 6:30AM PDT

Thanks, Willy - I wish I knew how to describe it more?! I am unsure if I am allowed to post links here so I won't, but if you google fuser oil laser printer, you will see the hundreds of items pop up for older models of printers. All the printers I listed are the ones the paper company gave me that have worked with their paper and haven't jammed/melted etc - much older and simpler models since nearly all newer models do not use fuser oil anymore and run at a higher temp. We are in search of the best of the best of those older models that will still produce a rich color copy and a great black and white as well.

Thanks!

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I googles abit...
Jul 13, 2007 9:24AM PDT

I did research the fuser oil topic. It does seem more for printing or rather printer copies of printing tasks as it were. I looked at a link: www.fuseroil.com and gave reference to replacement supplies for some of the printers you listed. It they have them you get the idea what printers are more popular as in supported. It seems Canon has a big corner of this market. Going by past experience, some printers may have a common "engine" meaning one popular printer guts is really rebadged and used by other OEM's to make their product offering, but haven't a clue at this time what if any is used. The Okidata 9300 is pretty decent and pricing isn't that bad either compared to others, but that's up to your budget. But, if you're plan is to use any fuser oil you have in stock now, then you maybe stuck with that model or that vendor as they won't be compatible for other vendor printers, unless they so state it(thought it). I'll leave it at that.

tada -----Willy Happy

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me too...
Apr 3, 2008 2:49AM PDT

Hi there; I stumbled across this post and am having the same dilemma...I don't know if the original poster of this thread is still having this issue, but did you ever find a suitable printer? Im certain the paper you are speaking of is Lazertran original. I have tried this at local copy places and called many and the fact is--this technology for "fuser oil" is outdated. I'm quite frustrated, because I bought all the supplies for creating customized dishes with decals, only now to find that the means for creating these decals is obsolete. I've researched the printers too and they are just too expensive...the printers themselves as well as the replacement cartridges and the fuser oil! Anyone know of any copy places that still use the older technology?

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Try Lazertran Inkjet
Jul 20, 2008 2:11PM PDT

It works fine in my Canon MP530. There are differences from original Lazertran, such as the image does not dry clear. But you can make it clear by applying an oil-based sealer. Check out www.lazertran.com for more info.

I also cannot find a home printer that uses regular Lazertran. Seems like the list on the manufacturer's web site is for obsolete printers!

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Try Papilio Paper
Aug 11, 2008 1:55AM PDT

In my quest to solve this problem myself I ran across Papilio waterslide decal papers www.papilio.com. They have many different types of paper for both inkjet and laser, and support the "newer" laser printers. I have played around with the laser waterslide bake-on using the HP CP1518ni and the inkjet waterslide (both clear and white) with the Canon MP530. The product takes some getting used to (it's thinner than Lazertran and the inkjet version requires a fixative spray/brush on) but the results are worth it! I had problems with Lazertran under glass and the Papilio solved that problem. If you are making larger size decals, don't skip the decal mounting fluid!

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Lazertran and transfer papers
Aug 17, 2008 12:34AM PDT

Hello

I have been experimenting with various transfer papers from BareMetal company and Lazertran using a Samsung CLP 310 Series colour laser and an HP 1300 series inkjet. Results were very mixed and frankly disappointing. The inkjet transfers especially were weak and rather fragile. The laser transfers had very mixed results - the first efforts had streaked designs, most unretrievable, and were brittle and labile. The next experiments (after I had to replace my colour laser)were better but still not perfect. The Lazertran was a disaster since it fused itself to my printer's rollers and I had to replace the printer entirely. All told I am disappointed by the whole experience, but I am looking for alternatives. I came across the oil fuser thing - don't understand it but wondered if this had something to do with the problems I've had.

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Lazertran only works with specific printers
Aug 24, 2008 6:55AM PDT

I think your printer probably wasn't one of the approved printers, so most likely the Lazertran ruined it. Also, you have to use Regular Lazertran, not the inkjet version, in Laser printers.

I really wanted to go the Lazertran laser route because I do think it is a good product. However, I really didn't want to invest any money in an obsolete printer since I didn't already have a laser printer. I read somewhere that they were going to come out with a new version but there is nothing on the Lazertran site about it. It seems as if the Papilio papers work pretty well, especially for my particular problem which was applying a transfer under glass or acrylic. Lazertran was not good for that. Although Papilio papers are a little fussier than Lazertran because they are thinner and stretchier than Lazertran (except for Papilio White Inkjet which is very thick and probably the easiest to work with).

I have found the customer service at Papilio (real live person on the phone!) to be excellent.

- Anne

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Try Papilio Paper
Aug 21, 2008 7:49PM PDT

Hi,

Do you have pictures of the results with this paper? Can you post them somewhere?

Thanks,

Alexander

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Transfer paper on the CLP310 series
Aug 22, 2008 1:34AM PDT

Hello Alexander

Thank you for your reply. I do have a jpeg of the last sheet I produced, although I'm not sure how to get it to you.

Best wishes

Lesley

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Sample
Aug 22, 2008 2:06AM PDT

Hehe, how about Flickr or my email? ngsan@xs4all.nl

Thanks,

Alexander

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Papilio paper
Aug 22, 2008 5:27PM PDT

Hi Awisnewski,

Zen Dragon & I would like to ask you if you can sent up pictures from your results with Papilio paper.

I have asked Papilio but they don't have sample pictures.

Thanks in advance !

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Papilio and Lazertran Samples
Aug 24, 2008 6:23AM PDT

I've put some sample photos up on Flickr. I have not experimented with Papilio Laser except for bake-on yet so I don't have photos of the Laser waterslide version yet.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29843994@N02/

I think it's very hard to capture how image transfer applications really look to the naked eye. You can't turn a photo a certain way and see how it looks in different light, at different angles etc. I've done my best to capture as much detail with my camera.

Hope this helps!

- Anne

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Decals on glass bottles
Jul 22, 2010 8:47PM PDT

HELP NEEDED

I have read some strings about decals on glass but have not seen any definitive answer about what paper(s) and what laser printer(s) work together. Can anyone give me that definitive answer.

I want to put decals onto clear glass wine bottles and want them to have a good life expectancy and to be suitable for dishwashers which I assume means I will need to fire them in an oven.

So:
1. What paper is best suited to this application?
2. What make(s)/model(s) of laser printer run with this paper, without jamming or smudging?
3. Does the printer have to use fuser oil?
4. Can I oven bake the decal/bottle for hardness?
5. Can I print both colour and B&W with this paper?

C'mon out there, someone must know the answers . . . . hope you can HELP.

Ben

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To get you started.
Jul 22, 2010 9:00PM PDT