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Question

Graphics Card upgrade

Mar 30, 2015 3:53PM PDT

Hello there, one of my graphic cards started recently crashing. It seems to have outlived its time and I feel an upgraded is needed but I am no computer expert and would love to have some assistance. I currently have 2x Nvidia GTX 465s SLI'd on my system. My motherboard is an ASUS SABERTOOTH X58. It does NOT have any PCIe 3.0 ports but it does have 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (dual at x16/x16 mode) which I have no idea what that means. I did some research and found that PCIe 3.0 cards DO work on PCIe 2.0 x16. I have a 750w power supply. I plan to build a better computer later this year but I have plans for this computer so I need it fixed. I have a few questions and would love some advice.

1. What would be the best replacement for a GTX 465 that will fit on my motherboard with a budget around 150-200$? I can go a LITTLE higher if needed but wish to save money for my new build later this year but if the performance difference is huge I can consider it. I would really prefer at least 2GB of memory on it.
2. Only one of my cards keep crashing, what should I do to figure out which one it is? I plan to take both out but wish to install the working one on an older PC.
3. I have thought about keeping the working card in, but since it cannot SLI would there be any benefit wasting power on it?


Here are the main parts of my computer incase more info is needed:

Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth X58
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665
Processor: Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield Quad-Core 3.06GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211
Graphics Card: EVGA 01G-P3-1467-AR GeForce GTX 465
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130557
Power Supply: Antec TruePower New TP-750 Blue 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371022
Memory: 4x CORSAIR Vengeance 4GB [12GB Total]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233141
Tower: Antec Twelve Hundred
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

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Clarification Request
Since PCIe is backwards compatible.
Mar 31, 2015 1:37AM PDT

Why the concern over getting a PCIe 3.0 card? Today's cards should outperform a 465, even a dual 465, even on PCIe 2.0!

1. I like the list at http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html
2. Pull one and keep testing.
3. For me, I've been pulling both, and popping in a new more powerful single. Some singles are actually duals.

-> Given the age, did you do the usual heatsink compound work?
Bob

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Interesting read!
Mar 31, 2015 8:55AM PDT

Thank you for the link! I was assuming because of my motherboard's age, I would be unable to use today's graphic cards. What are the downsides of using today's cards on a PCIe 2.0? Is there a performance hit I should look at while viewing more modern cards?

From some links on the page you posted, I looked through the site on some of the reviews. It was basically either the 4GB GTX 960 or the R9 280x. I am considering the 4GB GTX 960. I understand that the R9 280x is a similar price and has slightly better specs but I have a lot of accessories plugged in and love the low power usage on the 960. It is also a lot quieter it seems. With such a low power usage I could even SLI in the future if the card drops dramatically in price since a 970 is probably superior than 2x 960s. It was a mess trying to read a lot of comparisons between the two since apparently both sides have bias "fans" with a lot of contradicting views. I am also unsure if it will fit/work on my motherboard, what do you think?

EVGA GeForce GTX 960 [4GB]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487128
SAPPHIRE R9 290x [3GB]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202137
Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth X58
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131665

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Toms did some testing at PCIe 2.0 and 3.0
Mar 31, 2015 9:05AM PDT

The results were about a single digit percent to less. Toms has reviews on both of those GPUs so you can see how each fair on your games.

You can also put both into GPUBOSS for a rundown.

As to stress testing, there's FURMARK but as you know these cards may start high and drift down. Example at http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-thermal-paste-efficiency,3678.html and since both can do that you can't declare it's only the 290's issue.
Bob

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Taking another look
Apr 1, 2015 7:06AM PDT

I will take another look, never smart to rush things after all. I have read a few threads on Toms comparing them and am looking at the R9 280x. I have some concerns on how hot it runs but it is said that I can control that. I am confused over the 750psu REQUIRED in the specs but some argue that its just extra insurance.

I am unable to find the 4GB 960 on GPUBOSS sadly.

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You may have to compare the other 960's
Apr 1, 2015 7:24AM PDT

You can find reviews on the 4GB 960 and such to see if it makes any difference. As you know, these GPUs have some open discussions about " 970 is having problems consistently using 4gb of ram without a performance hit, " so it begs the question what you are attempting to do. 4K gaming isn't the goal for sure. That's not enough oomph to get much past 20 FPS on 4K.

As to the power, we can find reviews on Watts for the card and then you double that to stay out of trouble.

To figure it out for sure you put a Watt meter on your rig. Then you double that to arrive at the minimum safe PSU wattage for that rig. You still want to know your Amperes per rail but if you go with double the Watts and a single rail +12V it's yet to be a machine that will get into trouble.
Bob

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Answer
Gpu
Mar 31, 2015 2:15AM PDT

Spend the extra bucks now and get a good card from the list that Robert gave.
Remove both old cards and install the new card.
When you build the new rig move the new card to the new rig.

As for which card is bad move them one at a time into the 'older pc'.
Should not take very long to figure out which one is busted.

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Will do!
Mar 31, 2015 8:58AM PDT

I was considering the 760 Ti but adding a few extra dollars does seem to make a huge difference. Is there a program to "stress test" graphics card? Both of them currently work still but 1 crashes maybe at most twice a week.

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Stress test
Mar 31, 2015 11:18AM PDT

Plug 'gpu stress test' into google....seems to be a few hits.
It might be a good idea to get a temp monitor prog.
Something you can sit and watch while the test runs.
Things are going to get toasty quick.
If things get too toasty shut down the test don't wait for the machine to crash.

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Are you a gamer ?
Mar 31, 2015 10:26AM PDT

If not, i would just keep the good GPU until or if you build a new computer
Whats to gain by buying a new one?
Digger

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I have uses for this tower
Apr 1, 2015 7:13AM PDT

I wish to give this tower to a sibling when I build my new one and the current gpu is on its last legs. I won't be building it until later this year so I want this tower "fixed" until then.