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Grand Theft America...

Apr 13, 2004 6:40PM PDT

Dr. Lawrence Britt defines characteristics of Fascism by providing 14 defining characteristics. Here is what Dr. Britt has to say about Elections...

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections."

Following is a flash file entitled "Grand Theft America" that should make some people question what's occurring here in the US. It takes a while to load, but it is worth the wait...

Grand Theft America

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Re:Grand Theft? not really
Apr 13, 2004 8:33PM PDT
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That article, Blake...
Apr 13, 2004 8:45PM PDT

Blake, that article was published a year ago in Free Inqiry Magazine, which is a publication of the Council for Secular Humanism.
Tell you what, I'll stir up some action for you.
From their "Secular Humanist Declaration" (Down in part 6): "we find that traditional views of the existence of God either are meaningless, have not yet been demonstrated to be true, or are tyrannically exploitative."

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If it were true...
Apr 13, 2004 9:59PM PDT

it would be news. It's not news though, it's just a dream. Instead of trying to link us to some crackhead's creative use of Flash why don't you find us a story on this from someone like Reuters or the AP. Maybe you could find us a story where Harris was charged for voter fraud since she obviously would be if this were true. You are interested in propagating the truth aren't you?

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Who own the media?
Apr 14, 2004 12:03AM PDT

I don't know if you happen to know who own the media, not only in the USA, but in the world. If you look at the ownership of it you will soon find out that by logic they have some very important financial interests to protect. Why would they want to jeopardize those interests?

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and??? Are you suggesting the media is supporting the US or President Bush?
Apr 14, 2004 12:12AM PDT

If so, you must not be looking at the same media as I do.

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O.K., Charlie...
Apr 14, 2004 12:12AM PDT

O.K., Charlie, tell us who owns the media.

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NT - I think you know who J... The big corporations maybe?
Apr 14, 2004 7:05AM PDT

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That doesn't make sense...
Apr 14, 2004 9:07AM PDT

Your question was who owns the media. Newspaper, TV, whatever, they are all companies. A corporation is a company. In your post you said, " If you look at the ownership of it you will soon find out...".
"The media" is many, many companies. Your suggestion of "corporations? makes no sense. The companies own the companies.
To which company do you refer, Charlie, or do you think that one company owns them all? ("the ownership of it")
Time for you to educate us and tell us who you think. How about a direct answer this time instead of something followed by a question mark.

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I could keep explaining it...
Apr 14, 2004 9:51AM PDT

for months to you. You still wouldn't get it J...

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Oh, it's quite clear....
Apr 14, 2004 10:22AM PDT

You said, "I don't know if you happen to know who own the media, not only in the USA, but in the world. If you look at the ownership of it you will soon find out that by logic they have some very important financial interests to protect.".
That clearly shows that you think that you know "who owns the media". But when asked who you think does, which prompted your "logic", you refused to answer.
It's quite clear that you will continue to avoid that question, which is the basis of the "logic" of your statement in your post.

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Let's see......
Apr 14, 2004 11:26AM PDT

Perhaps the answer to the question can be found here and here.

DE

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NT I guess Charlie forgot he said that!
Apr 15, 2004 3:22AM PDT
Sad
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One last atempt to explain it to you J...
Apr 14, 2004 11:38AM PDT

The big Enterprises! Either they ARE big enterprises or they are owned by them. But the owners are always the same; those with very specific financial interests; to gain the maximum amount of money and to be able to fire those who sell their labor as easy as possible, to pay the least amount of taxes, to pay the lowest salaries etc. All those things that are in the interest of those who buy the labor force. And there are two sides here willing to satisfy them and those are Democrats and Republicans (both heavily supported financially by the corporations of our nation). Thus the media will never present a discussion about an alternative economic system or alternative ways of governing the country or an alternative foreign policy and that is one of the main reasons why so many in this forum for example are completely blind and have very poor knowledge about what is going on outside our borders apart from the info they have been stuffed with from the big media corporations and their owners...

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Ok, a slightly different question, who should own them?
Apr 14, 2004 2:31PM PDT

Who should own the media?

While understanding your point they have their own agenda, but they are not non-profit organizations, and yes, they are out to make money.

Who would you have run them? the government? that's going to be an unbiased manangement? yeah, right.

AH HA, there it is.

Thus the media will never present a discussion about an alternative economic system or alternative ways of governing the country or an alternative foreign policy and that is one of the main reasons why so many in this forum for example are completely blind and have very poor knowledge about what is going on outside our borders apart from the info they have been stuffed with from the big media corporations and their owners...

Bold emphasis mine.

We're all duped ignorants huh? thanks. I guess until we all use and prefer non US sources we have no hope of understanding, as has been pointed out before. Oh well.

RogerNC

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All?
Apr 14, 2004 2:37PM PDT
"We're all duped ignorants huh? thanks." - RogerNC.

Did I say all? Did I mention you? I said MANY of the members, Roger and you know it. Now, if you feel that you don't have enough knowledge about the rest of the world and about alternative thinking, that's your problem...
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I stand corrected
Apr 14, 2004 2:59PM PDT

Only some here are duped ignorants.

From your point regarding media, I would assume that is anyone that reads, views, or listens to any of the mainstream media, esp of the USA.

RogerNC

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The search for the truth...
Apr 14, 2004 3:29PM PDT

But those who don't look for alternative sources and who don't use their own head, the libraries and the book stores to gather alternative information. I assume this is still legal despite the Patriotic Regime that we have. The search for the truth must go on Roger. We cannot just absorb what THEY tell us up on the hill...

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(NT)The truth is out there...................................
Apr 14, 2004 4:26PM PDT
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Re:The search for the truth...
Apr 14, 2004 10:03PM PDT
But those who don't look for alternative sources and who don't use their own head, the libraries and the book stores to gather alternative information...The search for the truth must go on Roger. We cannot just absorb what THEY tell us up on the hill...

Surely you are not trying to imply that we should use Bushflash.com as one of these alternative sources in search of the truth? Sites like CommonDreams.org would have you believe that 40 worshippers were killed when we shot the wall around a mosque when the truth is that no one was killed. Should they be used as an alternative source in search of the truth? Aljazeera would have us believe that the liberators attacked the same mosque on the offensive with no mention of the insurgent attack coming from the mosque. Should they be used as an alternative source in search of the truth?

No, we cannot just absorb what they tell us on the hill but at the same time there are clearly some in the forum that should try harder at choosing their alternative sources in search of the truth.

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NT - BTW, the words "duped ignorants" are yours exclusively in this case...
Apr 14, 2004 3:30PM PDT

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BTW who should own the media, since Corporations should not?
Apr 14, 2004 4:44PM PDT
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You buddies have a few inquiries to reply to first?
Apr 14, 2004 5:54PM PDT
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that's a joke, right??
Apr 14, 2004 8:34PM PDT

you won't answer questions til your questions have been answered?

that has to be the biggest load of b/s i ever read!

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allow me to answer one of the three
Apr 14, 2004 8:50PM PDT

#DK blamed me#

and rightly so!!

you quoted directly from common dreams, deny it and you're a liar!

you want "proof"?

you linked to common dreams and you used their headline....

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I see, 3 quids for a pro qua
Apr 14, 2004 11:21PM PDT

Sorry, I can't answer for them, and it's politer not to express some of my opinions on those debates, not to mention being too free would almost certainly earn me a TOS violation.

I just thought since you felt most of the media was untrustworthy because of who own them , you may have a suggestion of who would run them better.

RogerNC

click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

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Jeez Charlie, without..........
Apr 15, 2004 3:25AM PDT

Your vast knowledge all of those in SE that disagree with your take would be lost! I guess we are all too old or too stupid to understand what you are trying to say! What a shame!

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Since the media doesn't.........
Apr 15, 2004 3:19AM PDT

support our President, do you mean they are all on Kerry's side?? From what I read and see on the news, the media does it's best to discredit anything President Bush stands for!