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gov. passed law about CDMA network.......

Feb 18, 2006 7:30AM PST

i went to verizon store to transfer my cell line into my old cell since my new one broke. but the person working there told me that he can't do it anymore since my old phone doesn't support CDMA anymore. he said that, gov. passed a law that now, carriers should only use GSM technology, not CDMA -- therefore i just wanted to know if its true or not.

thanx in advance

-JAY

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Huh??
Feb 18, 2006 8:54AM PST

I seriously doubt that. Not going to happen anytime soon. Obviously that person was smoking something other than tobacco or was just ignorant.

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Huh??
Feb 18, 2006 12:37PM PST

More than likely, the phone was not E911 compatible, which is why the old phone wasn't reactivated. Someone else tried telling me a year ago that the FCC adopted GSM as the standard for the USA, and is mandating all carriers to switch to GSM by 2008. I said it's not true, and is insisting that it'll happen. I said it won't happen. Until there's a link at the FCC website that says that GSM is the standard, I won't believe it. GSM & CDMA will be around for years to come.

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check on the FCC site
Feb 18, 2006 6:59PM PST

There's nothing. If the feds lowered the boom on CDMA, that would cause major headache for millions of people and some very big phone companies, so there would be BIG headlines if this were the case. But there's no headlines. So I guess you need to talk to someone else at your local Verizon store, because the guy you talked to is obviously out of the loop, or his mind.

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Your phone issue...
Feb 18, 2006 11:13PM PST

I don't think Verizon would intentionally try to lose business for themselves.

Verizon doesn't use GSM, at all. Only in some new phones they came out with where you can roam on GSM INTERNATIONALLY ONLY.

if you wanted them to activate your old phone and they said NO, its probably because your phone was made in 2001 or earlier. 2002, maybe. as well. I believe as of some time in late 2003, all new cell phones had to be E911 complaint.

This was a law passed by the government allowing emergency rescue services to locate you more easily should you call 911.

for verizon, the phones had to be "tri-mode", or dual mode digital. that means your phone had to be 800 mhz analog, 800 CDMA, and 1900 CDMA/PCS or just 800 CDMA and 1900 CDMA/PCS (all digital)

its likely that your old phone is just 800 mhz analog and 800 mhz digital. that's why they won't do it.

as for getting your phone fixed -- even if you don't pay the $5 per month insurance, most phones should have a 1 year warranty and 2, verizon does offer a great upgrade program, allowing you a $100 discount off the new customer price every two years if you sign a new contract.

hope this helps,
kevin

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well, my old phone is......
Feb 20, 2006 4:37AM PST

I CHECKED the model number and the sticker behind the battery says: Model 60i(c)

so.. its this not E911?

why can't this phone be used in verizon anymore? and i used this phone with verizon only. therefore, i don't think its a GSM phone


thanx in advance

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V60i
Feb 20, 2006 9:26AM PST

It appears you have the V60i by Motorola.

the 60 series by Motorola was a great line of flip phones in my opinion.

I know that AT&T and cingular used the V60i when they use to have TDMA before they switched to GSM.

Verizon also used the v60 series and from some searches it seems like they did have a v60i as well, but it was not E911 capable. ie. no gps chip inside, meaning they will likely not activate it.

i haven't seen your phone -- so im not saying this is a fact, but its possible that you are brining them a TDMA model that was used by ATT or Cingular. then they obviously wouldn't be able to activate it because Verizon uses CDMA.

It seems like your at the crossroads with your phone. I think verizon is great and very reliable in terms of coverage. As much as it sucks, a broken phone that is not under warranty does not allow you to back out of your contract without penalty.

You may want to see if you are eligible for an upgrade -- they are usually very good about this. in the future add the $5 per month insurance to your contract so you can get a new phone at any time for $50 if you break it again.

Note, later on about 2003, and into 2004 Verizon sold a V60s, which i believe was E911 capable. if you really like the style of your old phone, you may really like this one.

cheers,
kev

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i cant see what the government has to do with it
Feb 19, 2006 11:01PM PST

the reason you cant activate your aold phone is probably because it was a GSM phone..you cant use GSM on verizon. they cant mix, the have to be synced perfectly

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Very unlikely
Feb 21, 2006 3:45AM PST

I think the rep was just trying to say anything he could to get you to buy a new handset. Either that or he was just very confused.

Besides, what network you were using doesn't have anything to do with whether you can "port" your number to a new phone.

The two things don't sound related at all.

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I had the same thing happen...
Feb 21, 2006 11:47AM PST

I concur with some of the others here. The pre-E911 phones that do not have GPS capabilities are not allowed back in service. As long as your phone is on the service and working, you are OK. But, if it breaks or you take it out of service for any reason, it's history. I have a Startac that I tried to put back in service while my wife's phone was being repaired and ran slam into this. I went round and round with Verizon customer service (yeh, not an accurate description sometimes) and that was the gist of it. In fact, their computer system is programmed to refuse adding any phones that do not qualify. Best thing to do is get another one that does work. I found a good deal on Ebay and didn't have to extend any contracts to put it in service.

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Verizon Uses CMDA
Feb 21, 2006 12:46PM PST

If your old phone is a verizon phone then they should transfer your numbers. If it is cingular or another company, they might use TMDA or GSM. Verizon only uses CMDA and has been for quite sometime. The government has nothing to do with it, its the transfer data form..