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Got a new Sony 52XBR2 and a Playstation 3, Best Receiver?

I just got the TV and PS3. Now I need a receiver. I'm looking at the Denon 4306 and the Pioneer 84-TXSI. I've read here that Denon has "no built-in decoding for next-gen HD-DVD and Blu-ray audio formats". But I can't tell whether the Pioneer does. And what abouth HDMI 1.3? Not sure if either receiver supports it, so should I wait?

Audio is the last piece of my puzzle. I'm anxious to get the right receiver to get the full benefits of my TV and PS3.

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don't get your hopes up on 1.3
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Do it rite and simple you will have no problems First dont spend all that extra money on a a/v/ amp with h.d.m.i. switching RUN your vidio using a h.d.m.i. cable from PS3 straight to. t.v and then audio using optical cable to amp and dont worry about 1.3. Then buy casino Royal in blue ray, and you will run screeming out the front door in happiness and joy, I have the stand alone Sony player and my 73" d.l.p. monster the picture is so beautiful that it almost seares you eyes AS BEAUTIFUL AS 70 M.M. FILM there is no way in hell that you are going to get a better picture your Sony look like I-Max remember most a/v/ amps will not pass thru a h.d.m.i. sourse I like to run everything direct and never have problems good luck to you and please post after you watch 007 yuou will wet yourself steweeee

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Nice to see you're considering something as capable as

a Denon 4306 - powerful, capable & generally bullet proof for reliability. The big BUT factor is the time lag needed for new features to get included as pretty much standard equipment. HDMI 1.3 support as common will probably be the end of the year or 2008.

That said, we haven't had the opportunity to see what 1.3 will truly have to offer. Time for content to become common is another thing to wait for as a new tech.

Though not HDMI 1.3, look at the more up to date & reasonably priced (at around a grand - street price) Denon 2807 which c/net called the sweet spot in the Denon lineup. No slouch at all.

Well it seems you do need to get a receiver in reasonably short time. By the way, fine Sony model you got there. From something like a BluRay player you do not need to run it's output signal through the receiver, but can be straight to the TV. OK, that is perhaps over simplified. Others will chime in & we'd like you to post back with more specific questions & to see how it's going for you. You basically just won't get a receiver with HDMI 1.3 right now. Like HD video, even at the 720 level as opposed to 1080, the law of diminishing returns is in effect. If the absolutely state of the art (& science) is 5% better than already fine, is it worth a big extra cost?

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Got a new Sony 52XBR2 and a Playstation 3, Best Receiver?

I do have the PS3 connected to the TV via an HDMI cable now (I got a cable online for $15 instead of paying $75+, which is another topic). I forgot to mention the reason I need a receiver is because I'd like to set up surround sound in a home theater. I've sampled the HD-DVD X-men 3 on the PS3, looks awesome! Now I want to add sound. I've made a decent "investment" already for the TV and PS3, so I don't necessarily want to "skimp" on audio.

I suppose I could get something simple and inexpensive to tide me over until HD 1.3 is out. But if, like most technologies, its going to be released with a really high price tag, much more than than the $1500 I'm willing to spend, I'd rather get something decent enough to last.

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Whatever 1.3's benefits will be remain to be seen

Tantalizing but vague promises. There is an entire curve of development to see what upgraded content may be eventually delivered. Lots of possibilities in the past have wound up getting sidetracked because of attention focus switch of another, unrelated tech introduction. Always a moving target, one must eventually decide when to jump in with both feet.

The price of including 1.3 connecting hasn't been mentioned as any concern. The time factor of ramping up to incorporate it - is. Now mentioned as a $1500 budget, it will get you what you desire to enhance the entertainment experience. Delivering basic digital performance makes the normal non-extreme performance of a $200 receiver relatively undetectible from that of a $2000 receiver.

Personal difference is in the speakers. In addition to looking for the mentioned commonly available respectable brands, I'd add looking for these specific models: Paradigm Atom, PSB Alpha B, Epos ELS 3, Monitor Audio Bronze B2, & Klipsch RF-52. All bodacious value performers above the crowd of so-sos.

I urge investing some critical listening audition time with a CD you are very familiar with which includes a fair amount of vocals. Vocals & the majority of instrumentals are mid-range frequency. Voices you have an automatic notion of how they should sound. Take notes as to things like thinness, strained, boominess, any detectible distortion, etc. Listening is such a fleeting thing that comparisons make confusion of memory so darned easy. I'd say auditioning three brands a day the absolute maximum; two is better.

That said & my urging for personal decision making, there are a few companies nowadays that sell direct to consumer with usually a 30 day in home listening period. C/net has highly praised some of these. Brands in this gorup would include Aperion & Axiom - praised as great performance & value.

Pleasing, satisfying sound reproduction probably trumps the consideration of 1.3. Some of us who frequently post here has speakers 40 years old. Certainly long since paid off & not replaced unlike several receivers & TVs.

Actual implementation of HDMI so far has been spotty - no guaranteed success story. Too with 1.3, it's probably 2-3 years down the road until we have a feel for what it really can do. HDMI future upgrades have other possible pathways including add-on switch boxes & wireless.

A beauty of a TV choice. Start the speaker selection process. It's more important teh waiting for 1.3 inclusion. When good reproduction reaches such high improved level - then further incremental gains are falling into the law of diminishing returns. It's like a good 720 broadcast being close to indistinguishable from 1080.

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wait for summer, Denon AVR-3808ci

This summer Denon will be launching two fantastic receivers, both with HDMI 1.3 and built-in decoding of the new Dolby and DTS formats. The AVR-3808ci will run for $1600 and the AVR-4308ci will cost $2500. I can't wait. --J.

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First of when are you going to come over and teach me how to spell. Gads I wish I could rite like you. O.K. Growing up with tubes turntables huge amps and speakers loved that anolog sound and I still do smooth natural sound, Now I have gone down the digital road .and the sound is so different I have a 7.1. Atlantic Technology 4200 system and the digital sound is so so dynamic, powerful, So if one had a sweet digital audio system feeding lets say 5 MacIntoch tube amps BAM BAM. It seems that would be the best of both worlds and perfect sound always nice reading your posts stew

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Maybe c/net will add spell check to the forum.

Unlike you, Stew, I didn't repair tube sets but sure do remember that all drug stores had the tube checking display unit with the replacement tubes locked below. As an old repairman, when do you want me to drop off my 1941 console radio for you to redo all the solder joints? We can meet halfway as I'm going to be in Vegas the week of April 21-28. I'll buy you a couple of brews to watch how you actually do play poker. Not much for the games, but the reason to do Vegas is to show a family member who's never been there. I took my grandson just after he turned 21. Was a thrill driving around when it was 114 degrees then, but his jaw dropped as the small town boy saw the big city. Took him into one of the very stylish rooftop bars. So he wanted to be cool buying his own drinks, but learned fast when he found out the classy joint charged 10 bucks a pop for anything.

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Two models I'd suggest, not knowing your price range are the SONY STR-DG910(lists for $499) 7.1 receiver, or the premium ES model STR-DA3200ES. The ES lists @ $899. SEE

Both claim they are optimized for BLU-RAY, and accept 1080p video signals. Of course a SONY receiver is bound to have more dedicated features for products in their own line.

DENONS are just fair. MY only other choice would be an ONKYO model.

I think your best option will be the dedicated SONY STR-3200ES, as you have pretty much committed to SONY. You won't regret it.

Happy system,


P.S. There is also a $1,499 SONY ES model; the STR-DA5200ES.

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Late Opinion

I don't know if you're still in the market for a new receiver, but I'd be happy to provide my opinion. I too have a KDL52XBR2 and PS3 that I purchased back in March/April. I have to agree with Stewart; neither my cable box nor PS3 run through my receiver, they connect via HDMI cable for video and fiber optic for audio. Initially, I purchased an Onkyo TXSR605 in August, but couldn't get it configured properly to work with my set-up. I purchased a Sony STR-DG910 in September and I am very happy with it. True, the Sony does not have any high definition audio format support, but it works quite well in my family room with three front speakers and two rear surround speakers. Based on the size of my room and number of speakers, I'm not sure I would notice a difference in sound with the lossless audio anyway. I feel the Sony is a little under powered, but it sounds great and doesn't run near as hot as the Onkyo. This receiver replaced a 10 year old Sony that was still working, but did not have DTS capability. I wanted that for Blu-ray playback.

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