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Gloria Allred has gone....oobatz...

by Tony Holmes / March 9, 2012 9:32 PM PST
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tasteless and exceptionally damaging attacks??
by Steven Haninger / March 9, 2012 10:02 PM PST

Hardly true. He's unwittingly increased the value of her stock...so to speak. She should beg Rush for another round of abuse. Devil

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Criminal prosecution may be a bit much.....
by Josh K / March 9, 2012 10:59 PM PST

.....but Ms. Fluke certainly has grounds for a civil suit for slander and defamation.

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Josh, I don't think...
by J. Vega / March 10, 2012 2:16 AM PST

Josh, I don't think a suit would be successful. first a legal note- Although Limbaugh spoke those words, it would be considered to be Libel, rather than slander. It's just a legal detail, but the possible penalties are greater for libel. As his program is recorded and could be repeated, it's legally considered to have been published and permanent.
That said, with a defamation case he was voicing an opinion about person who is actively involved in a public controversy and has a history of involvement in similar cases. The word sl*t is a general opinion of someone's character or actions, like calling someone obnoxious or dishonest. His use of the word prostitute might be referring to a specific action that is illegal in many places, but it is common for people to call someone that meaning of loose morals, rather than someone who engages in sex for pay. A defamation suit would have to prove that he meant someone selling sex for pay and he used that word with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard for whether the statement was true or false.
One other note: Did you notice that Alread labeled Fluke, who is a known activist and over 30, as "a young law student"?

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30 is young compared with me
by Josh K / March 10, 2012 2:48 AM PST
In reply to: Josh, I don't think...

And with Ms. Allred too. OK, so it's libel and not slander. I think it would be pretty easy to establish that he either knew it was false (since there isn't a shred of reason to believe it's true), or didn't care. JMO.

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If you watch and listen to the actual video
by Steven Haninger / March 10, 2012 3:27 AM PST
In reply to: Josh, I don't think...

he doesn't really speak of her in those terms directly but poses those possibilities as more of a question. It's more "if she does yada yada yada, what does that make her? a ****....right?" I'm not saying this in his defense. He is offensive but I don't see anything in that video that I've not seen worse in others.

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I've watched it too....
by Josh K / March 10, 2012 4:16 AM PST

....and he never uses the word "if." He says what he thinks she wants, then asks, "So what does that make her?" and goes from there.

Now I don't think she'll file such a lawsuit because she probably knows that Limbaugh will play the "it's the media's fault" card to the hilt and probably boost his ratings in the process. She probably also knows that the court of public opinion is the best venue for this. He made his bed; now he gets to lie in it.

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Ok, I goofed and you're right
by Steven Haninger / March 10, 2012 4:29 AM PST

He asks, "What does it say about?....what does it make her?....". I didn't bother to review it before posting but it was still posed as a question and not made as a statement. I don't see it as anything illegal but I do see it as both inappropriate and stupid. Sometimes that can be even worse. I'd hate to see court time wasted on stupid.

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(NT) He asks the question and then answers it
by Josh K / March 10, 2012 4:33 AM PST
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Limbaugh is using a long time escape tactic from civil
by Ziks511 / March 11, 2012 6:13 AM PDT

litigation; the false question and answer format where the libeller both asks and then answers the question. This muddies the waters just enough to make a jury, carefully selected to ensure at least one or two mildly sympathetic Rush-ite jurors likely to cause a hung jury.

He's not really stupid, only his opinions are, and he holds them because he functions as a kind of relief valve for the extreme right, and is incredibly well paid for it. I don't think it's about honestly held beliefs in his case, I think it's a performance for the money. The man is the Sam Kinison of the Right.

Now this may sound slightly contradictory to what I've said before, because I do wish it were possible to impoverish him for his utterances, his worsening of the incivility of public discourse, and to punish him for his behaviour. But that's no different than the majority opinion here about anybody mildly centrist or left. You'd like to do the same to Maher, even though RL's attack was far beyond anywhere Maher has gone. There is a difference between attacking a private citizen and a public person/politician.

I suggest you Google conservative David Frum's discussion of the Rush Limbaugh situation. He is clearer and better at phrasing it than I am. David may just be the new William F. Buckley, a conservative with a brain. If he can restore civility to the political and journalistic realms, he may be the new Moses leading us out of the wilderness.


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I'm having a hard time
by TONI H / March 11, 2012 6:38 AM PDT

figuring out how you can think that Rush's name-calling of 'sl*t' toward Fluke is something he should be impoverished for but Maher referring to the then VP of the USA nominee and runner as a 'cu*t' and referring to conservative women who would vote for her as MILF's is okay in your book and he gets let off the hook.


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Without bringing Bill Maher into it....
by Josh K / March 11, 2012 7:02 AM PDT
In reply to: I'm having a hard time

.....do you think Sandra Fluke has grounds for a libel/defamation suit?

Yes or no. If "no," why not?

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No, I don't but
by TONI H / March 11, 2012 7:59 PM PDT

anybody can sue anybody else here in the US and usually does, no matter how stupid the suit might be because there is always a lawyer out there somewhere who will take the case....and Gloria is at the top of that list. If the case has merit, it will go forward; if not a judge will toss it out.

And why do you always want to leave Maher out of any debate about name-calling? He's an 'entertainer'....you think Rush isn't? They both work for a living in the media area and both use shock value to get their 'points' across....where's the difference, Josh?

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I'm asking a simple question
by Josh K / March 12, 2012 12:29 AM PDT
In reply to: No, I don't but

Whether you think Rush Limbaugh's comments were libelous and/or defamatory. In court you wouldn't be able to compare his statements with Bill Maher's or anyone else's; they'd be judged on their own.

You don't think Rush's comments were libelous or defamatory. Thanks for answering.

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The word "****" is used between women as a joking reference
by Ziks511 / May 27, 2012 9:43 AM PDT

to their own and other friends sexual behaviour. Like the N word, it can be uttered by friends to one another in a joke, but can't be used by others without causing offence.

Whether Fluke was 30, or 23 or 83, Limbaugh's words were intended to hurt, to discredit, to belittle. And since when is going back to University a bad thing? You speak, Toni, as if being older than your classmates implies some sort of lower status. Lots of people go back to University myself included. It was fun being 40 with kids less than half my age. The most fun was telling them how old I was and seeing the looks of disbelief.

Whether Fluke was an "activist" or not is a very fine line to draw. I'd never heard of her before this incident, and I'd bet nobody else here, or outside Georgetown had heard of her either. Yes, she was speaking up on an issue before Congress, but lots of nobodies have done that too. Appearing before a Congressional Committee isn't Broadway, it's just appearing to advocate or oppose a position.

I wonder what you'd think if one of your beloved CEO's was treated the same way by a "liberal", actually I don't have to wonder, your opinions are already on record here, anyone to the left of Atilla the Hun is a screaming liberal, socialist Commie *** junkie (to quote George Carlin).


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(NT) The word was sl*t. Too many Asterisks in the above header
by Ziks511 / May 27, 2012 9:48 AM PDT
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Liberals always feel that way about themselves
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That doesn't surprise me Toni since it allows you to duck
by Ziks511 / May 27, 2012 9:25 AM PDT
In reply to: I'm having a hard time

all the other things he said, like "prostitute", "she wants to be paid to have sex" (since when is having birth control provided "being paid to have sex") and the fact that he didn't say it just once, but ranted for 3 days at 3 hours or more a day at her. All his statements were palpably false, but most appealing to a certain element too cowardly to shout those words in a forum where they might be actionable. To quote the Duke of Wellington in another context, "the scum of the earth".

The problem with Rush, who leaves a slime trail wherever he goes, is that if you silence him on shaky legal grounds that opens up Bill Maher, the late George Carlin, and dozens of other comedians to action. First Amendment privilege applies.

The difference is that Maher has always been a comedian, whereas Rush after a number of jobs became a Political Commentator, who ran for cover as an "Entertainer" when it looked like he might be sued. I'd call that evidence of cowardice and of the shallowness of his supposed beliefs. "I'll say anything unless it costs me money" appears to be his motto.

Incidentally Toni, what were your feelings when Rush got arrested when travelling alone with 30 Viagra for a long weekend in the Dominican Republic. Did you think he was meeting up with a friend, or would be preying on the local populace which, if rumours are correct, may not be of the age of consent in the United States.

Me, I don't take the entire bottle of any of my meds whatever they are, I take the length of stay, plus 3 days. Oh, and two inhalers just in case I lose one.


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Fluke made herself a public person, so
by Roger NC / March 11, 2012 1:14 PM PDT

that part of your argument is off base.

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How?? She appeared before a Congressional Committee, and
by Ziks511 / May 27, 2012 9:52 AM PDT

then replied to Limbaugh's charges. It was Limbaugh who made her a public figure after the fact, she didn't make herself a public figure, he did. Don't lose sight of the Egg before Chicken situation here.

And how long was her testimony? 30 minutes, 45. Limbaugh spent 9 hours on the public airwaves denouncing her.


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Get off it!
by James Denison / May 27, 2012 3:45 PM PDT

Her going to a Catholic school and demanding condoms and birth control would be like me going to La Leche and demanding someone let me help them express milk. Some things are just absolutely plain stupid, but you can trust there will always be some brain dead Liberals around to try and make something out of it.

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Was she a public figure, Rob...
by J. Vega / May 28, 2012 6:56 AM PDT
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But I think he did say
by Roger NC / March 11, 2012 1:12 PM PDT

she wants to be paid for having sex.

Do I misremember?

That's certainly a direct slur still.

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I think criminally pursuing Rush is laughable...
by grimgraphix / March 10, 2012 7:01 AM PST

... but after reading the statute... it does look like Limbaugh could be charged and convicted of a misdemeanor.

Funny how those old laws can sometimes trip folks up.

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Imagine, Grim...
by J. Vega / March 10, 2012 1:49 PM PST

Grim, imagine the number of published articles or radio/tv talk shows that have talked about an actress "imputing to her a want of chastity". The courts may get quite busy (grin).

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Didn't she just take over John Travolta's case?
by CinderyLXQ / May 22, 2012 6:25 AM PDT
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Yep, that's it.
by James Denison / May 22, 2012 6:52 AM PDT

She's a sleazy sort of lawyer it seems.

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Allred's chasing after John Travolta too.
by James Denison / May 22, 2012 6:51 AM PDT

He's got a couple fairies and their godmother (Allred) suing him for something he supposedly did to them while over 2500 miles away. When that was discovered they simply changed the day they say it happened.

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