Lots more recycling going on. Houses are becoming more energy efficient, etc. There is a lot of progress across the board.
The sky is NOT falling.
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Global warming debunked
http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaruherald/4064691a6571.html
Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect, an effect which was vital to keep the world warm, he explained.
The other greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen dioxide, and various others including CFCs, contributed only five per cent of the effect, carbon dioxide being by far the greatest contributor at 3.6 per cent.
However, carbon dioxide as a result of man's activities was only 3.2 per cent of that, hence only 0.12 per cent of the greenhouse gases in total. Human-related methane, nitrogen dioxide and CFCs etc made similarly minuscule contributions to the effect: 0.066, 0.047 and 0.046 per cent respectively.
"That ought to be the end of the argument, there and then," he ( meteorologist Augie Auer) said.
Very simple science
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things like the steel industry. That, of course, set off howls about exporting jobs. It also taught managers the virtue of outsourcing jobs of all types. It seems you simply can't have your cake, and eat it to.
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but at least it is being debated. I'm really sick of the "Greens" saying, "The time for debate is over..." Bull! They have not made their case at all.
BUT, "Let us get to the point where we don't make garbage and let the question of global warming take care of itself." that just ain't gonna happen. The full price of which you speak is to not have technology at all. That's pricing civilization out of the market. People will gladly pay for cleaning up, but not to the point which the civilization is not possible at all. There is no way to have civilization without waste or pollution. We can limit it to an extent, but that's all.
China and India are NOT going to sacrifice their entry into the modern world for the sake of the environment. China has already said as much. They are on track to become the biggest polluters and Africa is not that far behind.
Nor should we demand that they do. The problems can be solved without people depriving themselves or going "back to nature". If CO2 is a problem, we should look at ways to remove CO2 from the atmosphere. I've seen proposals to increase algae blooms in the oceans for example to reduce the amount of CO2 absorbed in the water.
And most importantly, since energy production is tied into this, the Greens must drop their irrational opposition to nuclear power. There is no way you are going to power a technological civilization on wind and (Earth based) solar production. If they wish to be taken seriously, they have to admit that nuclear is a big part of the solution.
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We, as in our western civilization, have not even come close to utilizing the full, very economical, measures that we are capable of when it comes to pollution control. We use outdated technology to produce products and energy (yes, I am in the nuclear camp when it comes to alternative energy sources). We have resorted to quick and easy (and economically cheap when energy was cheap) methods of moving products and people around while neglecting to develop alternatives. We have dismantled our own mass distribution systems in the form of railways without inventing a substitute. I could describe many more foolish decisions we have made over the past 30 odd years while we totally ignored technology (not just nuclear) that would have solved many of todays dilemmas. The way I see it is we have frittered away our time developing useless technologies when we needed to encourage more efficiency. The free market would have supported it if the government had pioneered the way... heck, look how much money modern business made from the relatively old advancements made by the space initiatives of the 1960's. Jimmy Carter, for all his other faults, called for a similar initiative in the form of energy production and conservation in the 1970's. Just think if we had acted on that one idea where we would be today as far as energy costs? Technology can be efficient if we want it to be efficient.
And that is the thing that frustrates me most... the fact that efficiency saves money and reduces pollution. All along we have had all these chances to advance our own production methods to the point where we could have been the leaders in clean, efficient technology and leverage our knowledge to become the preeminent organizers of the industrial advancement of the rest of the world. The way I look at it is we just got fat, lazy, and complacent while the rich got richer and sold us a bill of goods that were cheap at the cash register but will cost us a whole lot more than we realized years down the road. We could have had Chinese money flowing into our banks instead of the other way around.
The problems should be solved by anticipation before they happen rather than band aids after the fact. We shouldn't have to create algae blooms (which BTW are a leading contributor to mass fish kills) to try to balance atmospheric emissions.
Again... to me it's not a debate about climate and man's contributions o global warming. To me it's an issue of allowing inefficient product and energy production methods to go on long after they could have been phased out. Business takes tax write offs every year for capital investment and depreciation of the same. The US Energy Bill of 2005 gave huge capital investment breaks to the energy industries which have resulted in huge profits for them, higher costs for us... and no increase in production or efficiency.
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and way off the mark.
So, how do you propose to implement what you think is needed? Worldwide totalitarianism?
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... and despite your hyperbole and phantom threat of totalitarianism you certainly have said nothing to invalidate my thoughts.
I find it very optimistic indeed to think the US could regain its position as a leader in future industrial development rather than a consumer dependent to cheap goods and cheap labor. If you haven't faced facts yet... we are quickly approaching the point where we spend more money than we make. It would be nice to step back from that precipice before we step off of it.
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I'm not gonna listen to some quack who was probably paid by oil companies to shut up about global warming by coming with "facts" because it is ridiculous to think water vapor is 95% responsible for warming of the earth. Perhaps he under estimated the amounted of CO2 that gets emitted into the atmosphere per year is far greater than anyone ever imagined. Seriously people, are you going to believe somebody (a meteorologist who was probably paid to say this) to convince you global warming is false OR believe in global warming happening in the future and if it didn't happen at least we are being cautious about the dangers? Up to you but please do your bit
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Right, just like me! I wish.
Do you have ANY evidence or factual basis for anything you have said?
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Yeah theres more, he could have been paid by power companies, conspiracy theorists, think tanks you name it anybody, and no I don't have any facts because it's my speculation. Besides why would they pay you? you're not somebody who is getting media attention and being a known figure that is on news articles? Perhaps I'm being paranoid here but I won't stop speculation that somebody is bribing here. And if I do have evidence, I'll email ya!
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There is a financial gain?
Arctic waters are behind the administration's push to ratify the treaty, said U.S. Rear Admiral (Ret.) Richard West, now president of the Consortium for Oceanographic Research and Education.
"Most of our interest is in and around Alaska," said West.
General concern for the Arctic in light of the effects of climate change is also behind the new interest in the treaty, West said.
"It's absolutely essential we accede to it so we can sit down and negotiate with our partner Canada. You can't participate in the negotiations until you become part of the treaty."
If this post is considered political, delete it, I promise not to cry.
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I have a huge question:
If The Bering Strait is a sea strait between Cape Dezhnev, Russia, the easternmost point (169
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the worlds going through a normal shift from the ice ages to warmth and in a few centuries will cool off again
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been a reoccurring thing maybe this so called global warming is just the norm?
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And still... the question to me is not what part man has in influencing the climate but why we as a civilization find it acceptable to allow manufacturers to take fairly minimalist measures to control their contamination of earth, sea, and air? I suspect if all CEO's were required to live next to the most noxious factory they get paid to manage... then their approach to emissions control just might be a bit different.
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they found ruins under ice flow seems to me back then there was global freezing. now were swinging to the warm side.
and since our records dont go back that far were just guessing. seems to me allot of hype
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.... in the British Isles. Lad bridges no longer there.
Core samples taken have shown there have long been alternating warm and cold periods. But more recently the circles are getting closer together.
A possible contributing factor that was lacking long ago was the presence of the millions of people now inhabiting the planet.
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... if it gets cold again, we could all huddle together for body warmth!
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