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Global Warming claims fail truth in advertisng

Mar 17, 2010 12:17AM PDT

"TWO government advertisements that use nursery rhymes to warn people of the dangers of climate change have been banned by the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) for exaggerating the potential harm.

The adverts, commissioned by Ed Miliband, the energy secretary, used the rhymes to suggest that Britain faces an inevitable increase in storms, floods and heat waves unless greenhouse gas emissions are brought under control.

The ASA has ruled that the claims made in the newspaper adverts were not supported by solid science and has told the Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC) that they should not be published again.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7061162.ece

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I wonder if any Brits asked this question...
Mar 17, 2010 12:38AM PDT
It then explained: ?Climate change is happening. Temperature and sea levels are rising. Extreme weather events such as storms, floods and heat waves will become more frequent and intense. If we carry on at this rate, life in 25 years could be very different.?

The second showed two children peering into a stone well amid an arid, post-climate-change landscape. It read: ?Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. There was none as extreme weather due to climate change had caused a drought.?


Why didn't Jack and Jill just get their bucket of water from the flash floods? Seems to me they could have collected several buckets full and saved themselves future trips up the hill.

Water usually accumulates in lower elevations. I've always wondered why they went up a hill to fetch a pail of water. Methinks they might have been up to something else.
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Yeah...all good points
Mar 17, 2010 1:49AM PDT

and why was someone wearing a crown fetching their own water?

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just get their bucket of water from the flash floods?
Mar 17, 2010 1:59AM PDT

nothing tastes like a nice glass of muddy water.

Do you think they had toilets with a flush back then? IF they had an outhouse type they didn't use the water for that.

So they were either using it for washing clothes, drinking it, or they could have been using it to mop the dirt floors in their wooden hut with a sod roof, that would probably weight about 10 tons because of all the rain.

Wonder no more.

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Why would...
Mar 17, 2010 4:47AM PDT

Why would anybody dig a well at the top of a hill?

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(NT) Who mentioned digging and well
Mar 17, 2010 4:51AM PDT
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Did a stream...
Mar 17, 2010 4:56AM PDT

Did a stream start at he top of the hill? Did they have a cistern up there?

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(NT) Do you always do what they tell you?
Mar 17, 2010 4:59AM PDT
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Water runs downhill
Mar 17, 2010 5:06AM PDT
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Do you know...
Mar 17, 2010 5:19AM PDT

Do you know what a cistern is? My farm has one. You don't let what it has collected run downhill. You save it and draw it out when you need it. In any case, in the past when I dealt with mine or the wells on my property, I didn't give any thought whatever to old nursery rhymes. Perhaps, I should have said I didn't let them befuddle my crown (grin).

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yes I know what a cistern is
Mar 17, 2010 5:48AM PDT

and when people draw on it the water does run downhill if that's where you want/need the water.

It makes sense to have the cistern at the highest point that's why they put them on towers, platforms or stilts whatever they call them.

Why put it on the lowest point and then have to pump the water uphill where you need it?

The towns water reservoir is a tower built on the highest point and it is on a tower about 100 feet high. Let gravity do some of the work.

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I don't think you do...
Mar 17, 2010 7:45AM PDT

I don't think you know. Usually, a cistern is underground. The water drains from the roof into the gutters, and via a pipe into the cistern. Gravity is the power that fills it. When you need it, you pump it out.

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Usually, a cistern is underground.
Mar 17, 2010 7:50AM PDT

usually...does that mean always/only?

A receptacle for holding water or other liquid, especially a tank for catching and storing rainwater.

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Why...
Mar 17, 2010 8:06AM PDT

Why pump the rain water up, when gravity would cause it to fill the tank? Perhaps Grimgraphix can fill you in, he has mentioned visiting the town near the farm I own. A lot of the older houses there have cisterns. They are easy to spot, if you know what to look for - a pipe running down the house from the end-sealed gutters down and into the house. Inside, there is a "Y" valve that lets you send the water into the cistern or off to a field or someplace.

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This is why...
Mar 17, 2010 6:29AM PDT

I never respond to his bait. Endless, pointless rides to nowhere and irrelevant, foolish circular ramblings all calculated to kill real discussion.

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RE: and I don't know why you even read them
Mar 17, 2010 6:33AM PDT

and THEN waste your valuable time and keystrokes.

calculated to kill real discussion.

Jack and Jill? you brought them up first, I'll play your silly game, and for a longer time.

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You were doing good for a while
Mar 17, 2010 6:40AM PDT

you didn't even talk about my posts.

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gee.... thanks for that most edifying post
Mar 17, 2010 11:10PM PDT

could that possibly explain why about 99% of alerts by
SE members are from you?

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If that's true...
Mar 18, 2010 5:49AM PDT

maybe you should pay attention to them.

If he continues to stalk, I will continue to send alerts.

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What I said in the post IS true...
Mar 18, 2010 5:52AM PDT

is it not?

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RE: is it not?
Mar 18, 2010 6:17AM PDT

NO.

foolish circular ramblings all calculated to kill real discussion.

You first


Ed sez

Why didn't Jack and Jill just get their bucket of water from the flash floods? Seems to me they could have collected several buckets full and saved themselves future trips up the hill.

Water usually accumulates in lower elevations. I've always wondered why they went up a hill to fetch a pail of water. Methinks they might have been up to something else.


Bill sez

nothing tastes like a nice glass of muddy water.

just get their bucket of water from the flash floods?

Do you think they had toilets with a flush back then? IF they had an outhouse type they didn't use the water for that.

So they were either using it for washing clothes, drinking it, or they could have been using it to mop the dirt floors in their wooden hut with a sod roof, that would probably weight about 10 tons because of all the rain.


You started talking about why a nursery rhyme doesn't make sense...I just carried on with your silly discussion.

They could also collect tears in their bucket, I heard they taste salty.

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What is...
Mar 17, 2010 5:37AM PDT
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And you said
Mar 17, 2010 5:52AM PDT

I didn't give any thought whatever to old nursery rhymes

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maybe it was a mill pond
Mar 17, 2010 2:41AM PDT

That could be uphill from the mill.

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jack and jill
Mar 17, 2010 5:45AM PDT

went up the hill for a little hanky-panky
jill came down with 20 pounds
jack must have been a yankee


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Pretty stupid thing to do
Mar 17, 2010 6:34AM PDT

When people start using tactics like that for whatever reason, it diminishes the message they are trying to get across.

I heard the adverts read out on the radio today. At first I thought it was some sort of depraved horror story for young children until I heard what they were and what they were about.

That's one in the foot for this government.

Mark

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"Pretty stupid thing to do"
Mar 17, 2010 6:48AM PDT

Do you think this is the first time for excessively hyperbolic claims by the AGW supporters? ...

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I had to look that up.
Mar 17, 2010 7:46AM PDT

AGW.

Probably not, but also probably matched by the over-stated, distorted, fabricated, histrionic and exaggerated anti-AGW supporters. (Is that right, Anti Anthropogenic Global Warming?).

Mark

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Go ahead
Mar 17, 2010 9:00PM PDT

Provide some examples.
(and not just from random blogger posts)

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I did.
Mar 17, 2010 10:30PM PDT
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Nice try but wrong
Mar 17, 2010 11:24PM PDT

What hyperbolic claims were made?