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Getting rid of squirrels.

Dec 4, 2013 1:13PM PST

When I first moved in here in 88', I planted 3 pecan trees. A Chataw a Navaho and a Desirable. The're all medium big trees now. About 30'. They're all grafted, meaning that they have native root systems and eatin' pecan tops. The nuts are huge. 6 or 8 from any of them is a meal. They're big and buttery and delicious

But I don't get any. The squirrels eat them ALL green. Right out of the husks. I'm in a subburban neighborhood so I can't shoot them. I'm a bit scared to put poison out because of the pets and the kids.

Every year I see these giant pecans forming, and then like over night there's a neat pile of husks and shells. I'm thinking squirrel teriyaki might be good with pecan sause.

I need help. What kind of traps do I get? When do I set them? How many do I need? Any recipies? The skinning and cleaning I think I can handle.

I'm serious here. Help me.

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In the south they put metal skirts around them
Dec 4, 2013 1:27PM PST

You can then grease the skirts when the nuts are about ready to keep the squirrels from climbing the tree to get them. That won't do much for when they fall to the ground though, unless they are low enough when the first ones start to fall you can use a long pole and beat the others to make them fall so you can harvest them.

I've had to kill squirrels in my attic before. I use mouse decon for that. It has something they like to eat, but also warfarin to keep them bleeding internally and ground glass to get it started. You can also hang some rat traps on the tree with peanut butter, preferably ladder high to keep people and especially kids from getting hurt.

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Squirrels are industrious
Dec 4, 2013 5:48PM PST

You can't starve the industrious. Wink

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Also remember that, to the squirrel,
Dec 4, 2013 7:59PM PST

you're the guest. Trees are its bailiwick and your access to them is by permission. Happy

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But Steven, Crowsfoot is the planter and cultivator of the
Dec 5, 2013 11:20AM PST

trees. The Squirrels are the thieves of Crowsfoot's industry and investment. It might be nice to collect all the ripe nuts, but that's impossible, the squirrels are not being deprived of a meal, they're being deprived of the ability to gorge without let or hindrance, which isn't compatible with either capitalist or socialist belief systems.

I grant that capitalists are inclined to wrap the tree in nylon netting and funnel all the fallen nuts into a 55 gallon drum sealed against the entry of all squirrels. Socialists would work out a way to collect a just portion for the people who raise the trees, but windfalls end up in the paws of the squirrels. That's where the term windfall originated.

Windfall apples used to be the ones that passers-by or organized gangs used to go after, they weren't the ones that the growers got to collect most of the time, because once fallen to the ground they were liable to attack by every species in the animal kingdom. Our rather uncultivated orchard when I was a teen, had lots of wasps who would gorge on the bruised fruit. A great place to get stung. Though it did teach me not to be too upset by wasps bees etc. If trees can sway in the breeze and not be stung, so can people, so you can wave them away, just don't swat. Dying or stinging wasps send out pheromones which attract other wasps bees whatever. Just wave them away until they go some where less wavy.

Rob

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Squirrels availing themselves
Dec 5, 2013 5:28PM PST

of another person's planted tree is a political metaphor?

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worked for me
Dec 6, 2013 12:00AM PST

maybe not in quite the same way.

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(NT) Come on Steven, anything is a potential political metaphor.
Dec 9, 2013 1:16AM PST
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Home Depot probably has the traps
Dec 4, 2013 10:38PM PST

Back when I lived in NJ we had a problem with squirrels nesting inside our attic walls. They were using a tree in our front yard to get to our roof, where they had gnawed a hole. I set the trap at the base of the tree and baited it with some peanut butter on a cracker. It only took around a half hour before one of them got caught in it (the traps don't harm them, just confine them).

One thing to remember is that squirrels are very territorial and have a good sense of direction. You have to put them in your car where they can't see anything (I put them in my trunk), and drive a good ten miles or so. It's best if you can cross some major obstacles like a highway. I found a park and cut him loose. I repeated that two or three times and that was the end of it.

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That was nice of you
Dec 5, 2013 2:21AM PST

A lot of folks would have popped the trunk open while driving on the highway. But squirrels and a lot of other animals have adapted very well to living around humans. It's largely because we accidentally feed them. If they're not struck on the roadways or electrocuted on utility poles , their lifespans are longer in the city than in the wild. Unfortunately for them, their diets are not as healthy. Some animals have learned what fast food and junk food bags look like and will actually fight over them. So maybe we don't like some of their habits but we've given them a standing invitation to join us.

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(NT) or just cooked him, lots at work still eat squirrel
Dec 5, 2013 8:29AM PST
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Well, Squirrels are pretty smart
Dec 5, 2013 6:20AM PST

and depending on your location , controlling them can be pretty tricky . I'm assuming you live South of the Mason Dixon because of the Pecan Trees so most sqirrels won't be a ground variety such as Prarie Dogs. If there's a lot of trees there you won't be able to keep them away using tree shields or guards as they jump from tree to tree and poison just sucks as other animal may eat the squirrel that ate the poison. Traps are the best way to catch them but as Josh suggests transporting them to a different location just aint right.I prefer a shotgun but if ya can't shoot'em Catch them Critters in a trap and Deep Fry Them. Nut fed sqirrel's gotta be good. My dad's from the South and grew up eating squirrels and rabbits and racoons . Here's some ideas for you -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuTo8eQTYIA Enjoy....Digger

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Here's my take.
Dec 5, 2013 6:35AM PST

Get a pitbull pup. When you're raising him put his meals out and when he goes to eat, snatch it away and beat him with a stuffed squirrell. Soon, he'll be a squirrell terminator. Cats work well too given that they can climb trees.

Dafydd.

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My father in law used a 22 rifle
Dec 5, 2013 6:36AM PST

He lived in a nice suburban neighborhood, and AFAIK didn't get any complaints. I've never tried to get rid of squirrels, but have used a pellet gun to get rid of woodpeckers. If you pump a pellet gun up enough, it has the power of a 22 rifle, and doesn't make much noise. You could also call a pest control and see what they suggest.
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Good luck.

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I agree with James, since this isn't politics. Metal around
Dec 5, 2013 10:31AM PST

the bases, and hang poisoned bait in the tree proper. The trouble with squirrels as anyone who has tried to keep a bird feeder knows, they will use any high point and jump for the top of the feeder, or your trees. They come equipped with their own parachutes (tails) after all. The other thing is if you have a second floor, buy a reasonable quality .22 Air Rifle with a scope, assuming they are legal to discharge in your community. If you shoot from the second floor, the shot should not leave your property. Odds are that you may need to consult the Police Dept regarding this. If an Air Rifle is considered too dangerous ask about a paint-ball gun. Knock a squirrel out of the tree a half a dozen time, and they tend to get the idea.

Friend Michael is being forced to buy a paint gun to protect his trees from the deer who clean the velvet off their antlers, on his ornamental trees and on new plantings stripping the bark, and in order to protect his cedars from the deer who browse on them all winter long cropping them up to 5 or 6 feet above the ground. The SOB's stand on their hind legs and can reach almost 7 feet with their forehooves. After 4 years of me telling him to get a paint-ball gun, this year he's going to. Several sharp smacks on the haunches, and they're unlikely to continue returning, when there's perfectly good forage down in the river valley where they normally reside.

I have no idea of whether using a paint ball gun which for people are non lethal, and only mildly injurious, eg bruises. Firing one which ricochets into someone's eye would be an actionable situation, but there is no one more sensible or circumspect than Michael.

Rob

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A site to try, since we have far too many squirrels
Dec 5, 2013 11:04AM PST
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More info on combatting squirrels.
Dec 5, 2013 12:15PM PST
https://www.google.ca/#q=combatting+squirrels+in+a+suburban+environment

http://www.infestation.ca/rodents/squirrels.html

http://realestate.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=20781850 Winning the Squirrel Wars

If you can get a good relatively cheap, plastic squirrel which can make its chittering noise and flick it's tail on request, either spontaneously or via a garage opener signal or a really cheap and cheesy 1 channel radio transmitter for an aircraft (assuming they make them any more. Kind of like those el-cheapo radio cars they sell at Christmas-time. You could possibly persuade any new invaders that your space is taken. Try one in each tree and attach the transmitter to a timer, say every 20 minutes to chitter and flick its tail to keep others at bay. Another repellent is coyote pee which can be purchased as an animal repellent. Additionally blood meal which is good at the bottom of the trunk and tends to drive most animals away, until the next rain. Putting either of those repellents in little tins, in the branches of the tree, and with their own little rain hats, they'll perfume the tree in a sufficiently repellent manner to drive off the squirrels.

You're going to be somewhat busy changing batteries, but once you remove the resident population to a planet far far away, across a major highway and some water barriers, then populate your Pecan trees with fake grey squirrels with flippy tails, you may be able to keep the little SOB's at a distance. Maybe set up an umbrella each to protect them from rain, and just leave them accessible by a ladder, and pull the batteries each winter.

Black squirrels and grey squirrels are the same species. The black ones are referred to as the melanistic phase of the Common Grey Squirrel. Red Squirrels are a different species and will fight with the Grey/Black, but won't help with the pecan issue. They're as hungry as their more distant relatives.

I don't think putting a plastic Owl or a plastic Hawk in the trees will work, but you could try it.

Rob

I should mention that oft mentioned friend Michael now has a live in mouse killer, No, not a cat. He has either a weasel or a mink living under his old fashioned verandah. Not only will this sort out the mice, but will keep the squirrels from climbing up the posts and then digging in and chewing an access under the eaves. Michael lives in the old family homestead, and the 5th oldest house in the Toronto area (Developers have waged quite a strenuous and much too successful war on buildings of any architectural or historical value, most of it during the 50's and 60's before people got organized enough to prevent it. The developers also were responsible for a seemingly endless series of arson incidents during that period and for about 10 after that. That's why we have only 5 houses older than 1834. The things I didn't know when I was learning to use a .22. I don't mean to kill anybody, just a nice flesh wound, or maybe a knee-capping when they come back (no, I'm not serious).
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WHEEE DOWGIES!
Dec 8, 2013 6:00PM PST

I didn't see y'all down here. What a lot of thoughts! Thanks. The forum's little green dots aren't changing to red for me all the time. Don't know why.

Well. My trees are too close the house for the slick metal sleaves aroung the trunks to work. The last good harvest I had was when they were much smaller and I wraped the trunks w/ aluminium. I got 5 gal.s that year. I can't shoot around here. If I missed, that could be bad. I don't want to go with poison. From your sugesstions I think regular old rat spring traps, nailed up in the trees might be the answer. (If nobody steals and recycles my dang ladder.) Anyhow, I eat 'em.

I hear it's best to harvest the little critters after the cold has had a chance to kill most of the fleas and ticks and such. This week has surly done that. So peanut butter and HomeDepot are on the list. If I get a batch, I'll let you know how cooked up. That deep frying vid looked good.

Thanks again. Back to reading the rest.

Oh yeah. I'm in Dallas. Pecan territory! And squirrel territory too.

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Did any body else notice that this thread is #1 on google
Dec 8, 2013 6:38PM PST
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Hey Your'e Famous
Dec 8, 2013 6:41PM PST

maybe you can sell the movie rights. Cool ......Digger

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Of all the things I've said that I thought were smart
Dec 8, 2013 8:51PM PST

I hit #1 for the most hillbillyest subject imaginable.

Snap the shot!

Squirrels are hard workers. But so are rats and pigeons. They are admirable for the effort they put into life. Other than that, they taste real good! My neighbor accross the street has one eating out of his hand. He puts csat food out. I told his to paint his tail pink so I wouldn't shoot him. If the traps get him, my neighbor may end up eating him without knowing.

There are many great youtube vids about squirrel sling-shots. And squirrel obstacle courses and such.

A slow news day I guess.

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(NT) It's all so transitory.I'll concentrate re-learning guitar.
Dec 9, 2013 1:20AM PST
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Red squirrels and fox squirrels are often mistaken
Dec 8, 2013 7:12PM PST

for one another. True red squirrels tend to be nocturnal and much smaller than gray or fox squirrels. They also prefer pine forests to deciduous so I don't think you'd see them fighting. Fox squirrels are another matter. They tend to be a bit larger than grays, eat the same diet and compete for territory. I see large numbers of fox and gray squirrels when in the metro parks but I really don't see them fighting other than amongst their own species.

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I feel your pain.
Dec 5, 2013 1:14PM PST

I have a breezeway that I made into a room. There is no heat out there so I use it as a cold room during the winter. I do get mice once in a while. One time I saw food disappearing in the room but it was weird. The mice will eat the nuts but the candy was disappearing. I put out some mouse traps and they disappeared. One time I was looking out there and saw a squirrel in there. I went to the outside and pushed steel wool in where he was getting in but he just expanded the hole. I also put the expandable stuff in a can but that didn't even slowed him down. I quite fighting him and just closed the door because I didn't have time then to worry about it. I haven't even gone in there in months.

I figure I will be putting decon in there one of these days but I figure all the food in there is lost.

Diana

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get a cheap .22 rifle
Dec 6, 2013 12:03AM PST

use .22 target load, or .22 short. Not much sound being subsonic shot, won't travel far if it even exits the squirrel. Of course you'll have to wait till the flopping around is done and then clean the blood.

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(NT) I have a 22
Dec 6, 2013 12:23AM PST
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low velocity, subsonic
Dec 6, 2013 2:26AM PST
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I remember carnival midways with .22 rifle shooting
Dec 6, 2013 2:52AM PST

I can't imagine them still to exist. I wonder how they got away with it. Just enough powder to clear the muzzle but not much more maybe.

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bent sights, bent barrels,
Dec 6, 2013 5:47AM PST

...smooth bored and a bit oversized, anything to make it difficult to get a constant shot pattern.

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Thinking more of some unhappy shooter
Dec 6, 2013 6:20AM PST