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Gay Bakeries Refuse Christian Customers

by James Denison / March 24, 2015 11:58 PM PDT
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Sorry, but that was an idiot's stunt
by Steven Haninger / March 25, 2015 12:54 AM PDT

This wasn't the same as asking a bake shop to put same sex figures on top of a wedding cake. It was a cake with message. Had the owners of the shop been gay and refused to make a cake with a female and male as bride and groom, the two situations would compare quite nicely. It does no cause good when antagonism is used as a means to achieve it.

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I don't see it that way
by James Denison / March 26, 2015 12:36 AM PDT

I do think he should have had a positive message, like "one man, one woman, = marriage". You can say a lot with positive messages.

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I'm very tired of the "in your face" attitude that too many
by Steven Haninger / March 26, 2015 3:40 AM PDT

take when pushing their agendas. Who really thinks that some activist gay couple wouldn't pull the same stunt by asking a baker to make their wedding cake knowing it would be refused. Who thinks their priority was simply the cake and not a set-up to get the matter into some court? Well, if that works, why not try and turn the tables? Unfortunately, the case you sited is not the exact reverse of the incidents out west that may have well put some folks out of business. I'd think it would be a completely different matter to refuse business that supported an unwelcome social or political agenda than to do the same on religious grounds.

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Even God uses scales
by James Denison / March 26, 2015 9:16 AM PDT

to make the balance. A soldier for Christ doesn't shrink back.

"Therefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Why take to you the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

I think of Jesus in the Temple, of many examples of the apostles, like Peter to Simon Magus and his money offered.

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Armor is for protection from weapons
by Steven Haninger / March 26, 2015 9:35 AM PDT
In reply to: Even God uses scales

Those who went into the "gay bakery" brought weapons and not armor. We don't need that from either side. Provocation is not an instrument that's ever settled people's differences.

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Personally I don't care they refused
by James Denison / March 26, 2015 10:11 AM PDT

I think liberty and freedom, along with ownership rights, means every privately owned business should have the right to serve or refuse serve as they choose. What about a clothing shop that ONLY deals in mens' or womens' clothes? What about a shoe shop that chooses to stock only warehouse workers shoes, not to stock dress shoes for white collar workers? Ethnic based restaurants, put them out of business if they don't also serve American type food? FUBU to be put out of business? Video stores only stocking DVD's and no VCR tapes? I mean where do we draw a line? Or shouldn't we leave it to business to draw their own service lines instead?

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I'm with you on that
by Steven Haninger / March 26, 2015 6:42 PM PDT

A shop owner should have every right to specialize and cater to a specific customer base if they wish. A shop owner that does "custom" work should have the right to accept or reject a request based his his/her reasons and should not need to make those reasons known. One who does specialty or custom work is putting their personal reputation into their product. If their heart isn't fully in it, they should not take on the job nor be required to do so. This isn't the same as refusing to admit customers of specific ethnic backgrounds into the store to purchase anything that's already on the shelf. They can require something of a dress code as it relates to health and I'd certainly permit them to eject a customer that became disruptive and/or threatening. It's still their establishment and they get to make the rules.

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Did any of the gays that wanted to get married
by Diana Forum moderator / March 26, 2015 6:01 AM PDT

have a message that says Marriage between a man and a woman is wrong? Then it would be equivalent.

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