And I know we folks here at c.net try to help folks with there questions and hook up problems But it seems new hi-def t.v. owners refuse to listen to our advice and complain about upgrading adding hi-def service etc. etc I get so tired hearing people ***** about having to pay that extra $10.00 fee for hi-def programming, buying the rite cables they expect all that great hi-def programming for FREE happy holloween steweeeeee