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Free speech, or illegal noise?
(Chronicle login: semods4@yahoo.com; pw = speakeasy)
>>An Oakland woman alleges Berkeley police violated her First Amendment rights when an officer ticketed her last year for honking in support of a labor union's picketing outside the Claremont Resort and Spa to protest rising health care costs and other issues.
Carol Harris, 51, is appealing her $143 "unreasonable use of horn" citation to Berkeley's Police Review Commission.
Harris was among nearly 40 motorists who received tickets beginning shortly before midnight on Aug. 27, accused of violating a California Vehicle Code section prohibiting the use of horns except "when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation" of vehicles or as part of a theft-prevention system.<<
So much for "Honk if you love Jesus!" (To say nothing of when picking up a car-pooler in the rain, or running late). If this were at night, I could see it -- but this was in broad daylight!
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what your position on anything is. It can be inferred, but you always reject the inferrances. With just a few rare exceptions, you don't committ to any position.
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If you take a reasonable examination of my posts you'll find that you'll agree that your statement is incorrect. The fact that Evie has never even attempted to support or defend her accusations and insults, as well as being a very fine indictment of her own character, is a pretty good indicator of how baseless they are, also.
Dan
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I don't need to go check the record. I've lived some of that record, and I'm reporting what I found to be true in those discussions. This is not the first time I've told you this. Check the record.
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Repetition does not increase the veracity of a statement. It was wrong the first time you said it and every time since then.
Dan
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next time you feel like braying about the military "torturing" or "abusing" prisoners.
They are simply soldiers engaging in their Constitutionally guaranteed "Free Speech".
Speeding tickets should not be enforced on adults with fast cars and no regard for others because they are simply engaging in their Constitutionally guaranteed "Free Speech".
Domestic violence should be totally hands off to the police because the participants are simply engaging in their Constitutionally guaranteed "Free Speech".
Sexual predation should be totally hands off to the police because, once again, the participants are simply engaging in their Constitutionally guaranteed "Free Speech".
Exhibitionism, murder, robbery, fully automatic weapons, car bombs, Abortion clinic bombings, prostitution, slavery, or anything else you or anyone else approves or disapproves of? Yep, you guessed it, ALL have as a common element--"Free Speech".
Guess you won't be finding much to talk about with "Free Speech" being the basis for so many obnoxious behaviors--but you will, after all there is "free speech".
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Sometimes it's fun to go against everyone else just because you can (they call that playing the "Devil's Advocate,")
Oftentimes, it truly is just a game, isn't it?
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Some of us here can figure out a game when we see one.
P.S. I won't tell on you
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Article the third [Amendment I]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Note: PEACEABLY TO ASSEMBLE
There are limits to Free Speech. That's why noise ordinances are not struck down. That's why cities can designate demonstration areas during conventions, etc. Your right to speech does NOT give you the right to disturb the peace or obstruct the flow of traffic, etc. That's why demonstrators may not block access to abortion clinics. Need I go on? There are tons of examples. A specific right to sleep at night is not needed; it's understood as part of basic human rights and needs.
Far more difficult to find in the Constitution a right to make loud noise when people are sleeping than to find a right to sleep in your own home.
The woman deserved the fine at the very least.
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