Forum redesign deployment -- Take three!

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Thanks for the info Lee!

by Donna Buenaventura Apr 26, 2005 5:20AM PDT

Looking forward to smooth transitions again

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Thanks, Lee.

by Cindi Haynes Apr 26, 2005 5:36AM PDT

I think the font is an issue as well as the size of it. According to the page source, the messages in this old forum format are in "MS Sans Serif, Trebuchet MS" which is waaaaaaaaaay more readable than the font the new format has. Just a hint.

--Cindi
Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email the mods

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Cindi, I think you are right...

by glenn30 Apr 26, 2005 6:40AM PDT

Arial fonts are harder to read and more so with smaller fonts where they tend to run together creating a focus problem for me. The pages are too "busy" with too much congested information. I hope your hint is well taken. Fully understand it may take some time to accomplish this along with some other things.

Thanks!

Glenn

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Arial Fonts

by taboma. Apr 26, 2005 4:24PM PDT

Glenn, The only thing worse than 6 point Arial font could be ARIAL CONDENCED in four point size type and who the heck would want to read this Forum from that point on?

What in the world is happening to CNET? Who has lost it? Has Lee lost it? Someone has lost it!

Have you ever passed over really dumb newspapper ads recently because the font size was too small to read?
Happens all the time, unfortunately. Blame it on dumb advertisers that think we will read their ads that are set in four point Arial condensed. What a waste of money on the advertisers part. The advertiser will think that we all have unlimited time to read their dumb ad. NOT!

Think this will happen to CNET?

It seems to me from all the posts recently, most of the posts are really too-polite and not down to the issue.
The Forum re-design is a bad design!
We already went through this with eighty posts from Lee's original redesign announcement.
How many more new announcements do we need?
Why re-hash it? The new redesign is lousy!
Lee, back to the drawing board, again!

Kevin

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I hear you, Kevin...

by glenn30 Apr 27, 2005 10:32AM PDT

Loud and clear and all so true!! I dunno... beats me!! Maybe we us a magnifying glass.

Happy hunting!

Glenn

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Hear you also

by taboma. Apr 27, 2005 12:03PM PDT

Glenn, Why does Lee want to press for this lousy redesign? It is really a step backwards, don't you think?
The old addage: ?IF IT ISN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!
Glenn, I have to make an appointment to have my eyes checked. I reall think that I am going blind reading the CNET POSTS again! :

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Happy Hunting

by taboma. Apr 29, 2005 4:51PM PDT

Glen, How about a 4x scope?

Kevin

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Cindi

by taboma. Apr 26, 2005 3:41PM PDT

The old font was near to Frutiger, a mac font, really nice and close to Adobe. Now we have Arial again. How wonderful. NOT! Boring!

How clean and beautiful the Adobe site is. Red and White. Clean and wonderul.
Not a crappy yellow mustard color. What would you think if Adobe went to a mustard color? Lost their minds?

Cindi, over ten years ago I met the founder of Adobe at a forum in Boston. The founder had a wife that was a graphic artist and needed a software program to help her out years ago. Her husband designed what is Adobe Illustrator now, and Adobe. As well as what else. Look at how far they have come. Just bought out the Freehand group. Can't think of the corporate name right now.

I will bet you that the wife, who is a graphic artist, designed the logos and colorations for Adobe also.
Adobe has a great site. SO CLEAN! Appealing to designers. Simple Red and White. I do not think they will change their graphics and coloration.

With CNET, preview/submit buttons/icon with this redesign are a whimp yellow, cancell is not even a button icon any more and all the rest of it. Some missing still. Really bad design.

Any real web designers out there that can help this
poor site out with their redesign?

Kevin

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Lee - See this thread for aditional comments

by Jake Barnes Apr 26, 2005 1:32PM PDT

http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-6132-0.html?forumID=32&threadID=100496&messageID=1154833

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Forum Feedback Take Three

by taboma. Apr 26, 2005 2:50PM PDT

Lee the design is still bad in all aspects. Whimpy yellow buttons, small lousy fonts. Why do you insist that this redesign go through? It is a lousy redesign! Fire your designers and the idiot that thought of this redesign in the first place!
I thought that eighty members on the past post agreed. Yet, here is this really poor redesign happening all over again. Haven't the members and the moderators already told you so? Why is this happening again? The redesign really sucks!!
Why take three at all?
What is next? Take four and more? Please Lee, give up and go back to the old forum look until CNET hires some pros to give an old horse a new look that is great!
Also, get rid of this crappy yellow mustard color.

Kevin

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Take Four

by taboma. Apr 26, 2005 4:56PM PDT

Lee, Why did Roddy post your identical letter ?Take Three? on the Virus Forum???
I would really like to know, Lee.

Here is what I posted to Roddy today:

Roddy, Why do we have two forum issues talking about the same issue? What happened to the original post from Lee? Why this new one from you?
You are just confusing everyone. Or is that the intent here?
PLEASE SEE LEE'S ORIGINAL POST everyone on the Forum Issues! This really is is a waste of time for everyone to be on Virus & Security alerts.

Kevin

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Relax

by auggief Apr 26, 2005 5:33PM PDT

You seem to get real satisfaction out of complaining.

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Relax

by taboma. Apr 27, 2005 12:21PM PDT

Auggief, Not really complaining and receiving satisfaction from this post. Just calling this re-design a disaster. Do you like to read this post in six point type? Whare are your posts to the forum feedback issue when Lee posted the announcement for a new redesign. Tell me and I will look for them up and compare notes with you. Do you just want to sit back and let the new re-design just happen? The new attempt for a re-design is lousy. When are you going to post on the issues?

When the hell are others going to send Lee the message that this re-design sucks!

Thanks, Kevin

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auggief ...

by Jake Barnes Apr 28, 2005 1:10AM PDT

auggief - do you have something constructive to add that might help refloat this shipwreak ... or are you still just gonna hang around and take cheap shots? Be constructive ... or be quiet!

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Constructive

by taboma. Apr 29, 2005 4:58PM PDT

Jake, Go back to the original design or make it the best on the internet. Not like is right now.
And it is not a cheap shot. This new design is lousy! Why change a good thing?
Kevin

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Every forum software change

by TONI H Apr 27, 2005 1:13AM PDT

we've been told to give it time, get used to it, and wait for more changes.....but the waiting gets longer and longer, usually never happens anymore, and instead of improvements and additions, we end up with having most of what we used to have taken away. Sigh...

The die-hards like me will continue to wait and hope for the better....but in the meantime, put the 'mark all discussions as read' back at the top (or at the very least, put it in both top and bottom). Having to bounce to the bottom of the page to mark them for somebody who since the forums began have been reading from the bottom of the page to the top is not something I look forward to having to 'get used to it'.

TONI

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Forum redesign..Fonts

by SumerBrez Apr 27, 2005 1:52AM PDT

"Fonts" are blurry problem for me,so Small,hard to see/read..
I really like the overall "Redesign" though.
Thanks Lee.

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Forum Redesign from the last Re-design post

by taboma. Apr 27, 2005 12:39PM PDT

Lee, What was the consensus from your prior post calling for a redesign of the CNET FORUM? There were over eighty people responding to that issue. Most, it seemed were Forum Moderators. Out of the varied eighty posts, who liked the so-called redesign good. How many complained about the font sizes and other issues? Would be interesting to hear from you about this. You know how I stand.
What is happening new?

Thanks, Kevin

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Has anybody besides me seen

by TONI H Apr 28, 2005 2:52AM PDT

that the message link in a thread is immediately above the 'posted by...member' link as well as being immediately above the 'see profile...member' link?

Try hitting the message link correctly with a mouse pointer without accidently hitting the posted by member link or profile link instead..........it's not as easy as it looks with the links being so close together now and all in the same size font and color.

Better have good hand/eye coordination now......

TONI

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I just did ...

by Jake Barnes Apr 28, 2005 8:16AM PDT

and got your profile twice ... this is ridiculous ...

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Free Optrex

by phantazy Apr 28, 2005 9:13AM PDT

Cnet should provide.

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I Just did too!

by taboma. Apr 29, 2005 5:02PM PDT

What is nice about this this is Toni's profile. :

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One thing I miss

by Diana Forum moderator Apr 28, 2005 10:08AM PDT

is seeing the message I'm responding to.

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i know the font is 'small'

by jonah jones Apr 28, 2005 10:54AM PDT

but surely you could see this?

You are posting a Reply to: One thing I miss is seeing the message I'm responding to.

Posted by: Diana (see profile) - 04/28/2005 5:08 PM

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Still there, Diana -- below, rather than above the box

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] Apr 29, 2005 3:23AM PDT

Clearly they never heard of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
-- Dave K.

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Diana

by taboma. Apr 29, 2005 5:08PM PDT

Dave, You are RIGHT ON!!!

Kevin

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Forum redesign deployment -- Take three!

by joe.fee Apr 28, 2005 11:07PM PDT

As far as I am concerned, the text size is satisfactory! I have no problem seeing the content, so you don't have to change its size on my account.

I agree that the links are a bit confusing, i.e., there are 2 links that load the users profile. Why not remove one of them and, at the very least, expand the remaining one to include enough text to make it self explanatory, i.e., Lee Koo's profile (ADMIN).

Just a thought.

Joe

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Top Secret

by JeffNygren May 5, 2005 12:36AM PDT

Lee,

I apologize for using this forum to reach you.

It is apparent that CNET doesn't want anyone to see your Community Newsletter/Hot Topics Newsletter. They are doing an excellent job of hiding it from anyone trying to find what you have posted.

What the heck am I talking about? I am subscribed to, and receive, the newsletter at my home email address. (I like it! Keep up the good work.) I wanted to follow up on your zabasearch info, but not from my 56Kb dial-up connection at home. I forwarded the newsletter to my work email address. Well, all I got was text, and no link with the "Trouble viewing this mail? Click here to read it online" line. I think "No Problem. I'll just go to cnet.com and do a little searching, and I should easily find the online copy of your newsletter." WRONG! It is apparently so well hidden that if you don't have the link, you will never find the newsletter!

I know there are several things I can do on my end to solve this problem. (Subscribe to the newsletter from my work address, figure out why I can't forward HTML mail, copy and past the link in an email to myself, etc.)

However, there are also some things you (and CNET) could do. How about a table of links at the bottom of the newsletter, or a link to 'newsletter archives online' on the main CNET.com page.

Thank you for listening to my rant. I hope it might lead to further improvement of CNET. Again, sorry fro sneaking in the back door (forum feedback) to contact you. I couldn't find any other way.

Jeff Nygren
JeffNygren@yahoo.com
JNygren@KrollOntrack.com

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Hi Jeff, when I get a little more time I will archive the

by Lee.Koo May 10, 2005 2:41AM PDT

Hot topic newsletter. I have however already archived the Community Help & How-to Newsletter here:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-7600_7-5534360.html

Normally CNET doesn't archive the newsletters, reason, I don't know. However I do. So archiving is unique in to me.

Best regards,
-Lee

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