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Forced to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10

Mar 7, 2016 11:03AM PST

Hi all,

I am being forced to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 by Windows! Please see the screen shot.

http://i.imgur.com/jBOTwkI.png

I didn't accept to upgrade. I do not want to upgrade. I did not click anything to upgrade. I am happy with Windows 7.

After looking at the screen shot, you will see Windows is only giving me the options of:
1. Start Upgrade Now
2. Schedule upgrade for an exact date and time (it states "the scheduled time can not be changed after this")

So, basically this is a forced upgrade!

I tried to "task manager close" this update window but it just reappears moments after. I don't see any other options other then "update it now or update it later at a specific time (which can not be changed).

Last night Windows automatically just started upgrading to Window 10. It didn't ask me if I wanted to. I didn't click on anything to upgrade. Nothing. In fact I stepped away from the computer but saw the upgrading in progress screen. It just tarted an automatic upgrade. After about 20 - 30 minutes when it upgraded, tried Windows 10 and don't like it. My video card acts weird on it. My screen flashes even after its fully installed and rebooted. I like my widgets that show my GPU, CPU, RAM and HD usage in real time so I know what's going on with my PC. Widgets are not allowed in Windows 10. I know a lot of the commands and locations for things in Windows 7 and I don't want to have them again. I have a feeling that more of my hardware is going to have an issue with Windows 10. After all these problems, I actually did a system restore to get Win 7 back last night. Now, today (less the 24 hours after the automatic upgrade) its forcing me to upgrade again by only giving me two options (both of which are to upgrade).

I may upgrade to Win 10 in a few years, but I don't want to be forced to do so now. Microsoft has been offering Windows 10 for free for a while now. If I had wanted it, I would have gotten it. I have seen the little window pop up saying "upgrade now for a limited time" almost daily. I see the advertisements on MSN's homepage to "upgrade now". Shouldn't it be my choice not forced if I want to upgrade? They are only giving me two options, both of which is to upgrade right now or in a few days. No option to "not upgrade" or "leave me alone"

I am frustrated about this. Any suggestions? The window to update is up right now as we speak.

Thanks

Note: This post was edit by the Forum Admin to include the referring screenshot by OP

Post was last edited on March 11, 2016 1:53 PM PST

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(NT) You are welcome
Mar 19, 2016 8:09PM PDT
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use a thumb drive to save all your stuff
Mar 19, 2016 4:47PM PDT

I think is best if you get a usb thumb drive and save all your stuff in it that way you can use it on anyone's computer

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Money ?
Mar 19, 2016 4:23PM PDT

I totally get why you don't want to, I wouldn't nor don't either. But my question is, are they asking for money too ? Just so I know. On a side note it's ludicrous and scary that they get away with this. Not to mention all the things that has been said, intrusive, annoying, No way to stop, autoupdate including it in etc.

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Until July the upgrade is free
Mar 19, 2016 4:36PM PDT

You do not have to pay a penny for this upgrade. Part of this may be because Microsoft senses that people are getting frustrated with them and wanting to leave, but I think the main reason is yet to be revealed. I think that they will eventually make Windows 10 subscription based. It isn't at this time, though, so it doesn't hurt to get a free upgrade, download the ISO, make note of the key for the OS, and keep a legal copy around. Your previous version of Windows will also still be licensed and legal.

After the free upgrade period has expired, you will have to pay for Windows 10.

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Re: Until July the upgrade is free
Mar 20, 2016 7:41AM PDT

But what happens after July ?
Will they stop force updates or try and charge for them ?

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I guess so
Mar 20, 2016 9:58AM PDT

We will know by August. I don't really see how they can force an upgrade after the free period is over, but you never know...

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Get the free GWX editor
Mar 20, 2016 7:01AM PDT

It was made just for blocking the windows 10 upgrade. I have had a lot of my customers find that they were upgraded over night without permission. Then I have to roll them back and install the editor to block it. There was an update that your computer got, which gave you the icon on your tray and deleting this update removed the icon and then you could hid that update so it wouldn't install, but they just set it again because they just know you did that by mistake.
So GWX editor to the rescue

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Windows 10 is an UPDATE
Mar 20, 2016 1:00PM PDT

The "forced" upgrade will only happen if you have chosen the option
"Install updates automatically (recommended)" for your Windows 7 updates.
Since Windows 10 is an update, then you have inadvertently chosen to have your Windows 7 upgraded to Win10 and the system is following your instructions. This was explained to us in our training by Microsoft.
To prevent this from happening, you should choose the option
"Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"
VERY IMPORTANT: the option for you to decide what update to install is STRICTLY if you have some technical training and are qualified enough to pick and choose the updates.
According to MS, you are supposedly able to go back to the version of Windows which you were running before the upgrade to Windows 10; however, going back is honestly a little bit of a "pain" and most people who did not like Windows 10 have an easier time going back when they use their recovery options: disks or flash drives.

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Windows 10 as an UPDATE is a CON
Mar 23, 2016 12:22AM PDT

Never before in the history of Microsoft operating systems has an update to one OS, resulted in a newer OS being installed. What Microsoft is doing here is a ruse.

As you point out though you can (currently) stop it by stopping the updates. I have simply disabled ALL updates on all my Win 7 systems. I'm over MS's BS. Next stop; Linux.

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(NT) My pc did a forced download of Windows 10. I had NO choice.
Mar 20, 2016 2:48PM PDT
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automatic Win10
Mar 21, 2016 12:16AM PDT

mine did that too, oh well, not the end of the world, I can still do what I need at work - Win10 is not so bad...some parts are real good too, like One Drive / photo uploads from new Win phones.
faster, better than my MacBook Air not wanting to play nice with my Nokia phones. Apple down, Msoft up. IOS is getting less relevant everyday...except those apps and who has time to use them, if you're really working...

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Failed Strategies
Mar 21, 2016 7:17AM PDT

It is evident that 100's of millions of desktop and notebook computer desktop user interface is being driven by Microsoft failed mobile platform. Users are hanging on to Windows XP, 7 and Office 2003 to avoid idiotic and usage complicating ribbons and other new 'features'. It has already been largely established that fingers are not replacing keyboards and mice in home and productivity environment. Windows tablets are not replacing productivity systems.
It's time for Microsoft to re-evaluate its 'looks' and 'feel' strategy, and to start innovating in product usage, features and integration. It seems Microsoft has been fixated on controlling how users have to use the computers rather than how they can facilitate users. Also, it seems new product designers must be coming directly out of school having no practical experience in production environment - or they wouldn't be re-designing and impairing perfectly working products for non-functional use.

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Regret upgrade: W7 to W10
Mar 21, 2016 9:34AM PDT

This is what probably happened to you. Because it was about to happen to me. (I caught it before I relented and upgraded on my own.

Unfortunately, Microsoft will put Windows 10 in your optional updated and check mark the box. So, you probably ran an update unaware that the optional updated was there and checked.

You are supposed to have 30 days to revert back to Window 7. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do that. I'm sorry.

P.S.:
I regret going to Window 10 too for a numbers of reasons, privacy and control over the operating system are two of them.

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Updates/GWX
Mar 21, 2016 12:26PM PDT

I haven't had a chance to read many responses here, but felt compelled to reply. To address the debate regarding applying updates manually and whether or not it's a good idea, I'll say this: There are many updates that you can safely skip, but indeed there are updates that will come back to bite you later if not installed (so proceed with caution). Windows 10 is not one of those that will bite you...yet. Nor should it be. I object to any company telling me when to update (I'm looking at you Apple), especially in a business/enterprise setting. They have no knowledge of the applications I'm running or their compatibility, nor do they care it seems what holy hell will be unleashed upon the IT shlubs that must deal with the issues that arise. I take specific issue with two things here: 1) The fact that there appears to be no compatibility check prior to the upgrade, and 2) Microsoft's lack of transparency about the updates that enable the Windows 10 "nags" and etc. (#3035583 for example) Calling these Security fixes wiht no further explanation is slimy, and it appears to conform to their latest information mining schemes, enabled in Windows 10. I don't have the download link handy right now, but for those that want to stick with what they have, be it WIN 7 or even 8.1 (If you're sticking with 8, seriously, what's wrong with you? lol), track down the GWX Control Panel download. (GWX is Microsoft's not so secret code for "get Windows 10".) It's a slick little interface and it doesn't even have to be installed. It will remove the nags and take you back a step if you've already started the download. If you are preparing to try the upgrade, be wise and back everything up. I recommend taking a full image so you can restore quickly and easily; rolling back an ill-advised Win 10 upgrade is not generally a quick process.

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Either downgrade later or remove 10 upgrade option
Mar 22, 2016 11:40AM PDT

Hey,
For those that accidentally or are "forced" to windows 10, an image of you previous os is created and stored for 1 month allowing you to revert back to it. If you still have the os you love and want to keep, I recommend doing a quick google for "GTX Control Panel." Easy to use little app that will remove the windows 10 annoyances for you.

Best of luck!

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Answers
Mar 22, 2016 11:56AM PDT

1 - The upgrade is only free until July.
2 - Click on the date drop-down and something along the lines of "Never" is an option.

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WXU Nag Removal.
Mar 22, 2016 1:10PM PDT

It's all about them wanting you to go to 10, so they can sell your personal information.

Here's what I would do. Reboot, and search for "remove windows 10 nag batch file", and go to the "tweeking" site that comes up first : http://www.tweaking.com/articles/pages/remove_windows_nag_icon_to_upgrade_to_windows_10,1.html

they have a link to a batch file that you can run that removes the annoying WXU icon. Once you run the batch (I tend to run it twice), reboot and start windows update. There is a specific update that installs the nag... "KB3035583" under "important updates". Right click that and choose "hide". Now, not only is the nag removed, it should never automatically download. Enjoy windows 7.

I've yet to get into as far as looking to remove the actual WX upgrade files that WXU downloads. I hear it's anywhere from a few hundred mg, to a couple of gb.

This should work for you... I've successfully used the batch file for about 20 machines so far. I did not create the batch, nor do I have any affiliation with it's creators or the article website. Just a fellow windows 7 lover.

If you're interested, the contents of the batch file are as followed:

REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx" /v DisableGWX /d 1 /f
REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate" /v DisableOSUpgrade /d 1 /f
REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade" /v AllowOSUpgrade /d 0 /f
REG ADD "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade" /v ReservationsAllowed /d 0 /f
TASKKILL /IM GWX.exe /T /F

start /wait wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /quiet /norestart /log
start /wait wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /quiet /norestart /log
exit


good luck

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Windows 7 being retired
Mar 22, 2016 1:22PM PDT

Windows 7 is going to be retired, which means it won't get updates anymore and will have security vulnerabilities. You're better off upgrading now, while it's still free. You can check the websites for all the hardware manufacturers to see if they have updated drivers for Windows 10. I know that sounds like a pain, but it's worth doing.

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4 more years
Mar 22, 2016 1:39PM PDT

Support for Win 7 goes until Jan., 2020 as far as security updates go. No reason to panic or yield to impulse. Four years is longer than a lot of PCs last so upgrading an OEM version of Win 7 makes little sense as it dies with the PC.

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Windows 7 has 4 more years
Mar 22, 2016 4:42PM PDT

... and in software years, that is a very long time. There is definitely no rush.

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RE: Windows 7 being retired
Mar 23, 2016 1:07AM PDT

A lack of updates does not automatically mean vulnerabilities.
Windows 7 is going nowhere for a good few years yet.
Stop scaremongering.

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Just Embrace It
Mar 22, 2016 1:41PM PDT

In all honesty, I'd embrace it. Things are not going to work 100% because you'll need to update software/drivers, maybe more so if you went from 32-bit to 64. Once you're done that, it's absolutely fine. The only thing you'll truly lose are the widgets and judging just by the programs I can see on the desktop, since none of those program are not mega-intensive, those widgets are serving no purpose besides appeasing your curiosity (which you can still see in the task manager). Your start menu will look different, but the same things will be there; they're just boxes/tiles now, not lines of text. If you have more than one computer, it's nice that the settings of your profile travel with you across Windows 10 machines. Obviously that's not going to be the push to tip the scale, but it is to show you that there some advantages from upgrading. I've been on Windows 10 since it came out and use a lot of the programs you have. I think the only problem I had was maybe waiting for a proper Windows 10 compatible version of a sound card or something trivial. You can still set programs to compatibility modes too, though I've never had to do it. I'll stop talking now. I hope that helps. Happy

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Glad it worked for you...
Mar 23, 2016 1:03AM PDT

...and for many users it probably will work out like your experience, but then there is a whole different kind of user; one who is clued in about the real implications and also has reason to care about those implications.

Such implications may include, but are not limited to:

1. Needing to spend time fixing things that got broken. When you have one system, and you want something new and shiny, maybe you'll take the risk (especially when it's "FREE"), but when you have multiple systems, or support multiple systems and just want to get work done, all of a sudden, new and shiny (and "FREE") doesn't cut it. There's no substitute for stuff that works now, staying working. And as I'll show, it's not really "FREE".

2. You may have to pay for updated versions of applications that support Windows 10 (if they are even available). Such applications, for productivity users will include encryption, system backup software and other mission critical software. This is the kind of stuff that you cannot afford to mess around with and just hope it will work or whether flipping a Windows compatibility setting might help. In these cases you want software designed/tested with the operating system(s) you have. Again, the risk is not worth the "reward". It certainly is not a "FREE" upgrade.

3. With Windows 10 (and even without it), Microsoft steals your bandwidth/quota. I have already myself had large (6GB Windows 10 images downloaded to my systems WITHOUT my approval). I pay real $ for every MB I download and the fact that Microsoft seem to just think they can use my download quota to further their own dubious agenda is asinine. Then, if you do "upgrade" to Windows 10, and you don't edit the default settings, they'll be stealing your bandwidth/quota again as they use peer-to-peer to upload data from your computer to help other Windows 10 users get updates (why would Microsoft pay for bandwidth when they can use yours for free? Hey it's all part of the new paradigm, you get a "FREE" OS (to upgrade the one you actually paid for), but don't worry, Microsoft will get their money back.

4. Windows 10 is adware and spyware. If you don't edit the default privacy settings (and most users won't), and even then there is debate on whether everything can be turned off, you'll be sending key-strokes, gestures, internet search histories etc to Microsoft, via the internet, where you know, it's safe.

5. There's nothing really new in Windows 10, that would compel a Windows 7 user to upgrade. Maybe this is the biggest elephant in the room, and I find it amazing that two full operating systems after Windows 7 there really is NOTHING. Besides gaining an advertising ID, the privilege of shopping at the Microsoft store (instead of just getting my software from where I choose to get it), a messed up start menu (so far nothing beats the Windows 7 version), a bunch of useless apps that belong on a phone and Microsoft deciding that they own your hardware and controlling what you do with it, what reason is there for a user who doesn't care about pointless fluff, to upgrade?

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CNET won't let me like your comment...
Mar 23, 2016 8:55AM PDT

But I like it. Just wanted you to know.

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Hyperbole for Dramatic Effect
Mar 23, 2016 9:08AM PDT

I do work with or support multiple systems and there are different needs across those platforms.

Spending time with things that are broken, for the extremely majority of issue is simply updating a driver. It's not the insurmountable chore that some may act like it is.

A belief in a conspiracy about something not really 'free' is not an implication. I get the invasive aspect and am not a fan of how they're pushing it; it's very reminiscent to Apple shoving a U2 album on everyone's devices. It is ironic how people praise iOS and Android because how universal or adaptable they are. Yet when Microsoft joins the fold, people lose it. It's an effort to bring in all their variations in an OS into less. That allows for more focus and improvements because these development and support teams aren't being stretched thin (or MS lays some people off, probably a bit of both).

All these implications are not exclusive to Windows 10, they're applicable to all operating systems and software upgrades. People can experience them even if they remain with the OS they have now. Depending on the program/application, there is often continued support into the next operating system (in order the supply the always-want-new-stuff demand), or the OS version doesn't really make an impact on the application's performance or compatibility.

I will admit that there's limited reason to upgrade to Windows 10 if you're using 7 right now. I consider it more about adapting and learning my OS as those reasons grow in favour of the newer OS so I'm not having to learn more at once when I have to upgrade my OS in order to use an application that has replaced something I want.

There is no restriction to having to get programs from the Windows store. I get all my programs exactly where and how I get them before. Whoever says otherwise knows better and know they're lying when they say they can't get software from where they want. If that were true, the Windows store would actually have the software people wanted instead of teasing us with some easy port-android-to-windows apps project.

Things that come with Windows 10 that are more phone-related can be disabled or removed, or they take up such a tiny amount of space that it really isn't noticeable, especially in comparison to the usual amount of temporary browser cache one accumulates in a day.

And no, Microsoft doesn't inherit your hardware when you upgrade to Windows 10. Again, whoever says this knows better. Saying that just looks like the formation of another conspiracy theory that has no iota of logic in it. It's not like getting married where one's spouse own their balls. haha.

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Expert Strawman...
Mar 23, 2016 9:36PM PDT

>> Spending time with things that are broken, for the extremely majority of issue is simply updating a driver. <<

You must live in Utopia where hardware vendors continue to make drivers for old hardware and where software vendors continue to update their software to work on newer operating systems. Sure, many users, especially those new systems (already running Win 8.1 say) will not run into these issues, but Microsoft is not just pushing Win 10 to new systems. I have a couple of 9 year old systems that I have had to block Windows 10 on. Yes, 9 years old.

>> It's not the insurmountable chore that some may act like it is. <<
OK, so let's say that for a particular piece of hardware, there is no Windows 10 driver. What's your solution there? The only practical solution there is to buy new hardware (kills your "free" dream due to the money/time required to mess with it) or stick to the existing OS (which is what this is all about; simply being able to stay put). Do you think vendors of 8 year old systems will provide Windows 10 drivers?

>> A belief in a conspiracy about something not really 'free' is not an implication. <<
Good straw-man. You don't seem to understand what "free" really means. There's no belief here; it's simple economics. Any extra time spent, or money spent (on hardware or help) to get a system simply working to the level it was previously working at, makes it not free. Even if everything magically happens perfectly, it's still not free; you have to spend time to re-learn things that you previously knew.

>> All these implications are not exclusive to Windows 10, they're applicable to all operating systems and software upgrades. People can experience them even if they remain with the OS they have now. <<

Yeah right. So one day, you'll turn on your computer, that hasn't had a total OS upgrade performed and your video card driver will just cease to support the current OS. Or that backup software you are using will just stop working because all of a sudden in hindsight it decided it doesn't support your OS. Or that your whole user interface looks completely different due to a security update.

>> I will admit that there's limited reason to upgrade to Windows 10 if you're using 7 right now. <<

Hey, at least we agree on this point. This is one of the most disappointing things. Two full operating systems on, and yet no compelling reason to move. Only reasons not to.

>> There is no restriction to having to get programs from the Windows store. I get all my programs exactly where and how I get them before. Whoever says otherwise knows better and know they're lying when they say they can't get software from where they want. <<

Another straw-man. Where did I say you cannot get software from other sources? I mention the privilege of shopping at the store as being no reason to upgrade. I didn't say it's forced. The point is though, that you can see where it's headed, ultimately. A closed eco-system where you can only get software through Microsoft sanctioned channels (like Apple afaik). I hope it doesn't go that way, but seriously I would not be surprised if it did. There are already cases where developers are having to pay $ simply to have their code run on Windows 10, that did not apply to previous versions of Windows.

[And I can see Microsoft's angle on this; having software coming from every which way is a curse, but it's also what made Windows popular to begin with].

>> And no, Microsoft doesn't inherit your hardware when you upgrade to Windows 10. Again, whoever says this knows better. <<

You like twisting my words don't ya? I said "Microsoft deciding that they own your hardware and controlling what you do with it", in the context of reasons not to upgrade. The point is, Microsoft don't get to decide what anyone does with THEIR computer. I have a server machine that I built, part by part. It was my responsibility to build it, put an OS on it and make sure that it was working flawlessly. No software issues, no hardware issues. I put a lot of time into it. Then say one day I go to check on my server, because backups didn't run, or all of a sudden something stopped working, only to find a new operating system on it! Now every single application on that system is suspect. Now every driver on it is suspect. Will it continue to work or will it not? Will there be one of those painful hardware issues that surfaces once a week? Once a month? And so on. I don't need or want that. My sever works; don't mess with it. When Microsoft decide to put a new OS on that machine, without approval, they're deciding that they have more rights over MY hardware than I do. Well, &%#$@ that for a joke!!!

So even though you have tried to imply that I'm a tin-foil hat wearing liar, and have misrepresented (or misunderstood) most of what I said, hopefully we can stay friends, and just agree to disagree. Love Love Love

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Conclusion
Mar 28, 2016 7:49PM PDT

For the everyday person, the only real problem that is consistent throughout all the complaints is the way Microsoft is doing this, by shoving it into people's faces.

I would totally be in doubt of wanting to update a 9-year-old rig too, especially if a part's manufacturer didn't exist anymore or developed a bad reputation since then.

Perhaps I have been lucky when it comes to doing people's Window 10 migration. For the problems I've encountered, if there was no Windows 10 driver, I'd install the appropriated 32 or 64-bit driver stated for Windows 7 or 8 and it worked every time.

When I say these problems aren't specific to Windows 10, I mean that the concerns and risk of problems apply to any new operating system that has or will be released. People had a conniption with Windows Vista, ME, etc, and they'll continue for future upgrades too. That's simply unavoidable since there are so many hardware options people can have with their machines. My remark doesn't apply to using the same OS - however, the problem could come up when one's video card manufacturer deploys a new update. That hardware diversity also is going to make it impossible to make Windows store be the only location to get software. Hopefully they'll know better than to try and incorporate it instead of pulling a Valve (where they retracted paid-for apps within hours after launching it).

As for 'free', I meant that monetarily, not in a pure economical sense, like opportunity costs. Since no one is 24/7 thinking of efficiency and productivity, and waste time doing this or that, 'free' is usually better understood as a monetary term, and usually the way free is meant when people complaint, since they state time as non-associated issue/waste.

I don't understand how interpreting a comment saying a company will "own your hardware" as that company inheriting one's hardware is twisting words at all. It sounds like exactly same thing, only swapping one word for a synonym. I had an idea what you meant, hence my response's title talking of hyperbole, since the own-your-hardware-comment was over the top when seen at face value and as an introductory statement to a new point.

As to your clarification to that comment, I'd say it's virtually all about how Microsoft conducted themselves with this OS deployment. It's very invasive and I think most people adopted a sort of non-sequitur response: "if Microsoft is trying to force me to do this, something I don't want, then the OS is obviously going to be something I don't want either." Like an adult not liking particular vegetables because they're parents forced it on them as a child. As well, we always remember or magnify the bad more than the good. So when one person has a problem, we see it as 500 people having a problem.

Not counting the technical issue some can have for this OS, it is more practical than Windows 7 or before when it comes to smaller devices and touch-screen laptops (any things that doesn't have as much visual real estate like a PC can have).

You may be surprised how much we may agree on, or could have. I would have adopted the same points of grief if I hadn't had a manageable experience over so many W10 upgrades. I continue to be mindful of issues when it comes to each upgrade, acquiring key drivers (specifically ethernet) before commencing an upgrade, as well as backing up all personal content, settings, etc. Fortunately, things never got to a point of chaos. *knock on wood*

We're good. Love Love Love

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100 years ago
Mar 22, 2016 1:41PM PDT

Help I'm being forced to switch from a horse to a car! Help I'm being forced to switch from candles to light bulbs! Help I'm being forced to switch from an outhouse to a toilet!

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It is annoying but not fatal
Mar 22, 2016 4:37PM PDT

I have been able to track the particular update from Microsoft that loads itself on boot and puts the little WIN10 icon next to the clock on the taskbar. Identify the update (ends in "5583") and uninstall or avoid on downloading of other updates.

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Microsoft is just ducking Win10 forced upgrade complaints
Mar 22, 2016 6:28PM PDT

Just wait until your machine starts to sound like you're in a wind tunnel or a jet-engine. With desktops ...too many people are reporting that CPU are now always running at 100% , the fans in the PC case sound like turbines. Not a damned peep from Microsoft who forced this upgrade on users. If I didn't want the upgrade and it's forced on me resulting in my PC now being so loud I can't concentrate......DON'T FREAKING TELL ME THAT IT MIGHT BE THIS DRIVER ...OR THAT DRIVER WHICH NEEDS UPGRADING.
Microsoft forced the freaking upgrade but goes silent on the people whose PC's are having issues. If it was just me ..I'd understand but many people I know are having the same damned issue. Then vague suggestions of "...upgrade your drivers..they might be the problem..or your bios may be old that may be the problem" etc....

PC's which were humming along on Win 7... get forcibly upgraded to Win10......and when the complaints come in ...it's crickets from Microsoft.