For the benefit of all at Speakeasy may I refer you to the

You spend a hell of a lot more time talking to him than I do. Anyway, that was an aside to Grim. Doesn't concern you or Mark.

Because I don't care if someone has a problem spelling/writing/grammar. You OTOH complained about it.

Considering the amount of misspelled words on some of your posts it's always amusing when you point out my editorial deficiencies... But I do go nuts when I see ''to'' used instead of ''too'' so I'll give consideration to your complaint. LOL

As for your ''how can I reply?'' You can't because I'm giving you nothing to play semantical games with.

For all the rhetoric that Rob writes here everyday about the US, I see the same if not more directed at ''liberals'' (really boring term now BTW), foreigners, non christians, etc. by regular SE members. I read through most of it and agree with some from the right and some from the left. I don't buy into nationalist jingoism no more than the ''world would be perfect if we all just got along'' BS. All politicians are corrupt to a certain extent in my view and I could never place my unquestioning belief in any party. I'm glad for you that you have the peace of mind from unquestioning loyalty (and I am sincere when I say that).

Rob raises some interesting points sometimes - I will pick through the chaff to find the wheat. One may not like the particular examples Rob uses but the discussion of argumentative tactics was educational. While I'm not comparing you to Rob I will say I find some of your comments insightful as well. I think you deny reality sometimes but I'm sure you have the same opinion of me.

but there is a difference between that and persistently making the same grammatical errors over and over.

I am not talking about political difference or differences of opinion or anything like that. Those things don't bother me at all. I am talking about the constant slander and very toxic sludge that emanates from a particular source almost every day. If you don't see it you are wearing blinders.

I am not playing a semantic game wih you. I told you that before. I don't consider this a game. We are not scoring debating points. I am trying to solve a real issue here.

I don't have "unquestioning loyalty" to anyone or any thing. That is false and insulting in itself.

I think you deny reality sometimes but I'm sure you have the same opinion of me. You bet.

BTW I hope you are not claiming I confuse "too" and "to".

changing it. However I'm not holding my breath.

Rob

long ago. You guys still don't get it, this isn't about me, as you seem to think, it's about trying to make this forum a little less poisonous for anyone more moderate than, for instance, you, or a dozen or more others here who seem to think that a difference of opinion is treason, or at least an excuse for a free for all of abuse. It's also about expressing my own opinions on issues that concern me.

Rob

'you can bring an old horse to water but you can't make 'em THINK'.


and a beside the point: we need a barbaro update!

Just curious.

which is admittedly not much lately.

I sometimes agree... sometimes don't.

In this case his post was educational and I found it interesting.

are educational and interesting....it doesn't make them all factual, and only history itself will show whether GWB was right or wrong. Right after 9-11 there were emails going on everywhere regarding that tragedy (examples are listed below). Although educational and interesting there were no facts to back up the speculation.

Example 1... 9-11 (Sept 11)

9 + 1 + 1 = 11

Sept 11 is the 254th day of the year.

2 + 5 + 4 = 11

There are 111 days left in the year.

The twin towers resemble the number 11.

Flight #11 was the first plane to strike the tower.

92 people were on Flight # 11.

9 + 2 = 11

Flight #65 was the second to strike.

6 + 5 = 11

"New York City" has 11 letters.

"Afghanistan" has 11 letters.

"The Pentagon" has 11 letters.and, finally
:
"PAYBACK TIME" has 11 letters !!

Example 2... "In the year of the new century and nine months,From the sky will come a great King of Terror.... The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city...
In the city of york there will be a great collapse,2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

Nostradamus

He said this will be bigger than the previous two.
2001 is the first year of the new century and this is the 9th month. New York is located at the 41st degree Latitude.


I think the best one that was circulated was the following....and this one is full of facts AND attitude.

Well, you hit the World Trade Center, but you missed America.

You hit the Pentagon, but you missed America.

You used helpless American bodies, to take out other American bodies, but like a poor marksman, you STILL missed America.

Why? Because of something you guys will never understand. America isn't about a building or two, not about financial centers, not about military centers. America isn't about a place. America isn't even about a bunch of bodies. America is about an IDEA. An idea that you can go someplace where you can earn as much as you can figure out how to, live for the most part, like you envisioned living, and pursue Happiness. We can't guarantee that you'll reach it, but we give you the chance to try!

Go ahead and whine your terrorist whine, and chant your terrorist litany: "If you can not see my point, then feel my pain."

This concept is alien to Americans. We live in a country where we don't have to see your point. But you're free to have one. We don't have to listen to your speech. But you're free to say one. Don't know where you got the strange idea that everyone has to agree with you. We don't agree with each other in this country, almost as a matter of pride. We're a collection of guys that don't agree, called States. We united our individual states to protect ourselves from tyranny in the world. Another idea, we made up on the spot.

You CAN make it up as you go, when it's your country.
If you're free enough.

Yeah, we're fat, sloppy, easy-going goofs most of the time. That's an unfortunate image to project to the world, but it comes from feeling free and easy about the world you live in. It's unfortunate too, because people start to forget that when you attack Americans, they tend to fight like a cornered badger. The first we knew of the War of 1812, was when England burned Washington D.C. to the ground.

Didn't turn out like England thought it was going to, and it's not going to turn out like you think, either. Sorry, but you're not the first bully on our shores, just the most recent.

In WW2, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, this was meant to break our spirit and scatter us. Did it work? No. All it succeeded in doing was uniting us to the point where hundreds of thousands of Americans joined the service within days.

Our country is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. We are sleeping giants, gentle giants. But we can be savages when necessary. When the spirit of America is threatened we do not cower or run. We unite! And when we unite, we are the most feared force on the face of this planet. You terrorist commonly underestimate American resolve. That was your first mistake.

So who just declared war on us? It would be nice to point to some real estate, like the good old days. Unfortunately, we're probably at war with random camps, in far-flung places that think they're safe; just like the Barbary Pirates did. They were wrong. So are you. Better start sleeping with one eye open.

There's a spirit that tends to take over people who come to this country, looking for opportunity, looking for liberty, looking for freedom. Even if they misuse it. The Marielistas that Castro emptied out of his prisons, were overjoyed to find out how much freedom there was.

First thing they did when they hit our shores, was run out and buy guns. The ones that didn't end up dead, ended up in prisons. It was a big problem then (especially in south Florida). We solved that problem. As for you, you're only the newest problem, not the first.

You guys seem to be incapable of understanding that we don't live in America. America lives in US! American Spirit is what it's called. And killing a few thousand of us, or a few million of us, won't change it. Most of the time, it's a pretty happy-go-lucky kind of Spirit. Until we're crossed in a cowardly manner, then it becomes an entirely different kind of Spirit.

Wait until you see what we do with that Spirit, this time.

Sleep tight, if you can.


TONI

But I steer clear of religious posts by all posters.

had a sign: 'no politics, no religion, if you disagree; too bad'. it was a quiet place, have you been there?

Same in the military.

concentrate on your real opponents.

The issue is behavior. Unending and virulant posting of slander is the issue. People can and do argue politics and religion and get along perfectly fine.

is defined as ''whatever I disagree with.'' And those same folks tend to deal with unpleasant facts (like global warming, for instance, which even the chairman of Chevron-Texaco recently called ''established scientific fact'' in a Today show interview) is to claim that it simply isn't so. For many of those same people, repeating such a fact therefore becomes ''slander.''

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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

who places a statement that the opinions expressed are yours only. thank you

constantly calling Bush a Nazi, or making nazi references; saying he is stupid or hates the Constitiution; or that he is destroying it (absent of real evidence); or that members here do not care is we are ruled by a tyrant; or that we don't mind the violation of the Constitution; or that we are not smart enough to see what's going on; calling members of the forum "fascists" and McCarthyites, both of which Rob did TODAY, is the slander I am talking about and it is fairly constant, day in and day out ad nauseam, world without end, amen. And I have only skimmed the surface or the sludge.

You can't possibly have missed it, but amazingly you turn a blind eye to it. It's nonsense to claim it's about disagreeing with his opinions.

I almost had to drop the bomb on you with all the hate that was spewing !!

ignoring a disclaimer for example but embracing the less appetizing illustration as if it were said about you. For a guy who's so free about calling people liars, you sure cant read very well. Either that or you recognize yourself and embrace something I did not say. The great Right Wingnut conspiracy here all move together when someone they don't like says something they don't like. Your Wolfpack crack is perfectly correct about your own behavior.

What will eventually drive me away from here is that so few of you even make a pretense of expressing an opinion longer than 5 lines. NT has become the preferred mode of communication/attack, and all the self congratulation among you all.

I do have the illusion that it might be possible to make this forum a little less a one viewpoint forum, but the attack dogs don't seem to like that idea much.

Rob

it was buried in all the 'nuke 'em, kill em', dashboard figurines that begin with 't', go aways, vitriolic opinions, hysterical histrionics,non- answers, etc'

put those words in 'search' and see what happens

webster's, college dictionary, 4th edition, 2001

politics: #6: factional scheming for power and status within a group

I will gladly accept contrary FACTS

since you came into this thread!

...are those from all the people who claim they never read Rob's posts. I suppose their mice have minds of their own and clicked on this one without their consent.

I count only one.