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For all those with 20/20 hindsight and ESP ...

Apr 10, 2004 4:18AM PDT

... yet another good read.

In a parallel universe called 'what if.'

NEW YORK - President-elect John F. Kerry's rise to the nation's highest office came as little surprise following almost four years of remonstrations against President George W. Bush for his bizarre attack on the defenseless people of Afghanistan.

Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, was the right man for a nation outraged by the Bush administration's pre-emptive war, which, it now seems clear, was based on highly speculative intelligence that Saudi Arabian-born terrorist Osama bin Laden was planning an attack on the United States.

Absent absolute proof of such an imminent attack, Bush's Sept. 10 bombing of Afghanistan earned him international condemnation and, in all likelihood, an indictment in coming weeks. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, appearing last night on "Larry King Live," said the United Nations' International Criminal Tribunal likely would bring charges of genocide against Bush.

Bush also faces federal charges at home for his baseless arrest of 19 foreign nationals, many of them native Saudis, whose "crime" was attending American flight schools. The Council on American-Islamic Relations has joined the American Civil Liberties Union in a joint suit against both Bush and former Attorney General John Ashcroft, charging racial profiling, unlawful arrest and illegal search and seizure.

Kerry's campaign mantra - "You go to war because you have to, not because you want to" - clearly resonated with Americans as they tried to make sense of Bush's Sept. 10 attack on Afghanistan. Neither the president, nor national security adviser Condoleezza Rice convincingly defended their actions during the recent "9-10 Commission" hearings, which Congress ordered in response to public outcry....


So much of this rings true as to how we complacent Americans fresh off the contentious 2000 election were likely to respond if all the "know it all nows" had things the way they say they should have been pre-9/11.
Evie Happy

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The sentiment is right ...
Apr 10, 2004 9:05AM PDT

There is no way we would have tolerated an aggressive campaign against Bin Laden prior to 9/11. No amount of hindsight can change that fact.

There is still the question about whether the intelligence community should have been able to avert the attack in some other way. I doubt we will ever know.

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I doubt we will ever know
Apr 11, 2004 3:12AM PDT

True!

I can think of countless things in my life that looking back I say to myself "how could I be so stupid". In hindsight the better decision seems so obvious ... never at that time.

EVERY expert I have heard agrees there was no actionable intelligence in that "smoking gun" memo. EVERYBODY underestimated the threat, or imminence of the threat, of Al Quaeda. Nobody wanted to really believe that it could be pulled off.

The institutional problems were a matter of law and would have required an act of Congress to change. No amount of meetings would have changed that. Post 9/11 such a law was unanimously passed. The very same people who are hammering Rice & Co. for not breaking the laws forbidding cooperation at higher levels, etc., are the ones slamming Ashcroft for violating civil rights (even in the absence of any evidence that he has used the Patriot Act to such end) under this act.

At this point this Commission has shown itself to be a partisan search engine for a scapegoat upon which the grieving widows of 9/11 can lay blame. It matters not anymore what they conclude, or whether the report will be unanimous. It will solve nothing, and the attacks on what Bush has tried to do about terrorism ever since will continue.

Evie Happy

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How about the lawyers who would be fighting to free the 19 so that
Apr 10, 2004 11:00AM PDT

they could continue their peaceful pursuits?

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With Kerry at the helm
Apr 10, 2004 4:53PM PDT

The arab terrorists would fall in love with the Americans, and the airlines wouldn't be slammed into the skyscrapers.
Oh! yea! I'm sure?

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How I just LOVE a good counterfactual historical scenario!
Apr 10, 2004 11:54AM PDT

Evie,

Kathleen Parker makes great points, although I suspect that a more plausible counterfactual scenario woule be entitled "The Impeachment Of President George W. Bush".

I just posted about the 9/11 Commission circus. There is a quote from a story in Human Events that bolsters the case that Ms. Parker makes. That publication found almost no support - even among Republicans - for any aggressive action in the absence of an attack, even if the action was merely to suspend the visas and deport the suspected hijackers. But since when has the truth ever deterred the left from a good political smear and character assissination in an election year?