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Flash and Shockwave Players

Sep 14, 2005 2:58PM PDT

Yesterday Donna posted an update for Macromedia's Flash Player. This turned out to be, yet another, area I knew nothing about. I did an online test to see IF I had it, and if so, what version. I had an older version and hesitantly updated it. (I say ''hesitantly'' because it is the first time I have updated something, I knew so little about.) I had noticed Shockwave in Add-Remove, which lead me to Macromedia's website where I found out they were separate entities. They were described as such:

'.... Each has a distinct purpose. Flash Player delivers fast loading front-end web applications, high-impact web site user interaction, interactive online advertising, and short to medium form animation. Shockwave Player displays destination web content such as interactive multimedia product demos and training, e-merchandising applications, and rich-media multi-user games. Through ''Xtras'', Shockwave Player is also extendable to playback custom-built applications'

Could someone please explain this in the most basic of terms? For instance, ''this is something that will enhance the commercials you wish NOT to see''.. The other may .. ''help you with those games that you DON''T play''. Obviously, I am saying this with a bit of sarcasm, but would like to know what they do.. and to what extent I might need them. I am presuming this may be a matter of preference and difficult to answer, but any answer at this point would certainly be appreciated.

Thanks in advance..
Carol

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Re: Flash and Shockwave
Sep 14, 2005 6:57PM PDT

Carol,

Broadly speaking, this is not your concern.

The person who makes the website chooses what product to use. Either Flash or Shockwave, depending on his wishes (and experience maybe). I get the impression that Flash is somewhat simpler, but less powerful, but I never used any of the two products. My simple website only uses simple html.

If you want to view a website that chose for Flash, you need the Flash-player. If you want to view a website that chose for Shockwave, you need the Shockwave-player.

It's like a putting a document on the site. Some sites do it in pdf-format. Then you need a pdf-reader (like Adobe or Foxit). Some sites do it in MS Word format. Then you need a MS Word viewer, or MS Word or Open Office to be able to see the contents.

Or an executable file. Sometimes you get an exe-file, that you can just run. Sometimes you get a zip-file, so you need Winzip or one of the free or paid equivalents or Windows XP to 'unzip' it, and sometimes you get something in between: a self-extracting zip.

Hope this helps.


Kees

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Thanks for your explanation Kees.. but
Sep 14, 2005 11:26PM PDT

Do you know exactly what it is that they provide me with. Flash says they deliver 'fast loading front-end web applications, high-impact web site user interaction, interactive online advertising, and short to medium form animation'. The only thing that looks like it may be of interest to me might be the ability to view animation. But I'm not even sure I know what the other even means, in order to make an informed decision. 'Fast loading front-end applications'.. for an exampleSilly.

(I had thought of ''Killing Flash'' through SpywareBlaster, thus allowing me to temporarily see what I was missing, but now that I have updated to version 8, I don't believe it will afford me the ability to experiment with it any longer. I didn't want to have to uninstall it in order to find out.)

I understand this is not a big deal in the scheme of things.. just trying to learn the what and why of things.

Thanks for your help..
Carol

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Only for clarity sake..
Sep 15, 2005 12:10AM PDT

2nd paragraph..

When I said, ''I didn't want to have to uninstall it in order to find out'', I meant Flash and/or Shockwave... NOT SpywareBlaster.

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Re: flash
Sep 15, 2005 1:39AM PDT

Carol,

One of the things Flash is being used for is to write games in a browser. Have a look at http://www.google.com/search?q=flash+games (after you installed the flash player). Play chess with Flash on http://www.newsandentertainment.com/zfchess.html

And here's an animation on the site of the high-school (sorry it's in Dutch) my daughter visited: http://davinci.insiders.nl/content.php?rubriek=home Move your cursor to one of the pictures in the circles and the pictures begin to roll.

If you don't have Flash installed, you miss it all. In my opinion, too much Flash on the web, but I'm a little bit old-fashioned.

It's totally harmless to install it, so I would advice you to do it. If you are being overwhelmed by animations, consider to switch to Firefox and install the 'Flash only on request' extension (that's not the official name but you get the picture). I hope it still exists for the current version.

You'll encounter sites using Shockwave far less frequently. It's something like Flash, but more powerful. And just as harmless. http://www.shockwave.com/ has Shockwave games. And http://www.google.com/search?q=shockwave+instruction gives a link to a academic article on how somebody used Shockwave to develop an instruction on Shake Table Operation. Just 2 examples out of millions of google hits.

If you ever encounter a site using it, there's no reason not to download it, in my opinion.


Kees

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Again I thank you.. without any ''but's'' this time..
Sep 15, 2005 2:22AM PDT

I certainly appreciate the work put into your reply. I had to laugh when I saw the first Google search that said ''Addicting Games''. I have enough of an addiction in trying to learn the computer... so I do need to stay away from the games. (It would interfere with my first addiction Grin! )

I do have Firefox. Coincidently, I happen to love Mozilla's''funny fox'' ads (http://www.funnyfox.org/themobile.htm ) and had wondered if flash created them, when the question first came up. In regard to Firefox, I will either see how it goes w/o it, or ''Install upon request'' as you suggested.

Again, I thank you for all the information and the time spent giving it to me.

Carol

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Opinion
Sep 15, 2005 1:42AM PDT

Flash player>basic animation

Shockwave player>advanced animation more bells+whistles.

I suspect if you had neither of these products on the machine it would run just fine.

If you were to visit a site that needed one of these products you would get a popup directing you to load one or the other.

I have flash player on this machine...why?...I have no idea.

I suppose it just allows some sites to deliver cutsy stuff.

For my use I have not found a need for shockwave.

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Thanks Bob.. all questions
Sep 15, 2005 2:32AM PDT

answered perfectly. And I must say in more of a concise manner than I asked them Happy <-- how's that for ''cutsey''?

Thanks ever so much..
Carol