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Finally: Something Richard Dawkins and I can agree on ....

Mar 30, 2010 12:24AM PDT

Well, maybe not. I'll quote him below, but the statement was made several years ago and my agreement is limited by a couple of issues:

(1) I'm not sure he still agrees with the statement;
(2) He would rather focus on the abuse that is allegedly inherent in religious education per se, a sentiment that I cannot endorse:

Priestly abuse of children is nowadays taken to mean sexual abuse, and I feel obliged, at the outset, to get the whole matter of sexual abuse into proportion and out of the way. Others have noted that we live in a time of hysteria about pedophilia, a mob psychology that calls to mind the Salem witch-hunts of 1692? All three of the boarding schools I attended employed teachers whose affections for small boys overstepped the bounds of propriety. That was indeed reprehensible. Nevertheless, if, fifty years on, they had been hounded by vigilantes or lawyers as no better than child murderers, I should have felt obliged to come to their defense, even as the victim of one of them (an embarrassing but otherwise harmless experience).

I can't link the primary source (it's from one of his books) but that passage has been quoted on the web.

Not to minimize the very real problems associated with child abuse by priests (or family or ...) but he is spot on in his description of the current hysteria as not much different from the Salem Colony during its time of infamy.

I am astounded by the fact that, although murderers can finish their sentences and go on to live the rest of their lives in comparative peace, (albeit with diminished civil rights) people who may have committed comparatively minor sexually oriented offenses find themselves literally unable to find legal housing. Something is wrong with this picture. (BTW: in some cases it is not even clear that the sexual offenders actually did anything wrong. Weird things have sometimes been alleged in the he said/she said confrontations that pass for divorce proceedings in this country.)

File this Dawkings quote under 'things found while looking for something else'. I was actually trying to determine whether the phrase "Christus Domine hodie resurrexit" is grammatically correct - I don't think so (should be Dominus I think but I don't know enough Latin to have an opinion) but it's interesting how one link leads to another.

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yes, it's Dominus, and a question
Mar 30, 2010 1:43AM PDT

are "sex offenders" more likely to "sin again"
than murderers?

which would worry you more as a neighbour? an ex-con
who served 20 yrs for murder or a convicted sex offender...


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I don't know ....
Mar 30, 2010 3:20AM PDT

As to who I want for a neighbor: Neither.

As to who is more likely to sin again: I don't know. It probably depends on the circumstances of the murder(s) in question as well as the details of the sexual crime in question. Under local law in many US jurisdictions people are regulated as sex offenders after relatively minor transgressions, and many have chosen to plea bargain because 'innocent until proved guilty' does not always seem to apply to sexual offenses. In some cases people have made plea bargains and then faced registration as sex offenders due to changes in the law that came about AFTER the plea bargain. IOW, the term 'sexual offender' covers a huge range of situations, many of which probably have little risk of future antisocial behavior.

I don't know the law well enough to be certain, but I am told that in some jurisdictions an 18 y/o boy who had consensual intercourse with his 15 y/o girlfriend would be guilty of statutory rape and could be required to register as a sex offender even if they later married and he had no other partners. Let me be clear: I do not endorse ANY extramarital sexual contact, consensual or otherwise, but I do not think this situation is even remotely similar to the case of an adult male having sexual contact with a pre-pubescent child.

Furthermore, if the concern is that the offenders will repeat their crimes there are probably better choices than making it impossible for them to participate in society as some jurisdictions have effectively done.

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It would depend
Mar 30, 2010 4:59AM PDT

On who was murdered and why he did it. If he'd murdered the pedophile, I'd welcome him as my neighbor.

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At least 4 usages I know of
Mar 30, 2010 3:52AM PDT

You may see Domine which is the vocative form. You'll see Dominus and Dominum as well as Domini (as in anno Domini). Domini is also a plural form when speaking generically. I'm not up on this stuff any more but do know there are several ways the word can be correctly used.

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a well remebered Te Deum
Mar 30, 2010 4:47AM PDT
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Lorem ipsum
Mar 30, 2010 5:01AM PDT

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If you say so
Mar 30, 2010 5:03AM PDT

I can't argue with that...as much as I'd like to

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Easy enough
Mar 30, 2010 5:10AM PDT

Just copy and paste it backwards. I don't think anyone would notice.

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Look up Latin declensions.
Mar 30, 2010 5:16AM PDT

I won't...I served my time. Forgive and forget. I forgave and forgot. Wink

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i thought about that Steven ;-)
Mar 30, 2010 2:02PM PDT
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(NT) Coward! (-:
Mar 30, 2010 7:04PM PDT
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if it was December
Mar 30, 2010 7:46PM PDT
you could call me Noel

Happy

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