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Exclusive: A Compromise Plan On Immigration

by Mark5019 May 23, 2006 3:17AM PDT

Leading House Conservative Mike Pence offers a "no amnesty" solution in an effort to get House Republicans on board

With the Senate headed toward a final vote on an immigration bill this week, a leader of House conservatives is asking his colleagues to support a free-market plan aimed at bridging the gulf between the versions in the two chambers. The proposal by Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), provided to TIME ahead of an unveiling speech at the Heritage Foundation, is arguably less compassionate than the version being debated in the Senate and supported in principle by President George W. Bush. But it looks to be more palatable to House Republicans, many of whom have opposed creating a guest worker program before new border crackdowns have been given a chance to work.

Pence, a rising star in the House, is suggesting a temporary worker program based on a data base run by private industry. And unlike the leading plan in the Senate and the blueprint sketched by Bush, his ?Border Integrity and Immigration Reform Act? would require all applicants to leave the country first. Pence tweaks a phrase from Bush?s address to the nation by calling the compromise ?a REAL rational middle ground.? Even though Bush has said his preferred solution ?ain?t amnesty,? Pence appeals to hard-liners by calling the compromise a ?no-amnesty solution.?

?The solution is to set up a system that will encourage illegal aliens to self-deport and come back legally as guest workers,? Pence, the grandson of an Irish immigrant, says in prepared remarks. ?The visa will be issued only outside of

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1196991,00.html

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Private industry???
by Dan McC May 23, 2006 7:17AM PDT

If private industry were not hiring people they know or strongly suspect to be undocumented the level of boarder crossing would be a fraction of what it is.

Dan

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That's true...
by EdH May 23, 2006 7:25AM PDT

but maybe puts them in a unique position to help solve the problem.

It's an interesting proposal.

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But they have no reason to
by Dan McC May 23, 2006 7:31AM PDT

participate in such a scheme.

Dan

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If their access to workers gets cut down..
by EdH May 23, 2006 7:36AM PDT

and if this gives them a way to become legal, so to speak, they do. What is the motivation not to?

I think they are starting to feel some heat now.

It's worth looking at.

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Because they won't believe it
by Diana Former Forum moderator May 23, 2006 11:08PM PDT

They'll figure that once out, they won't be allowed back in.

Diana

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But that's not the case....
by EdH May 24, 2006 12:36AM PDT

They WILL be let back in LEGALLY.

The alternatives are worse. The country is about ready to cram them all into boxcars.

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Also...
by EdH May 24, 2006 12:39AM PDT

employers would have to be required to have their employees do this or get shut down, period.

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Their access to workers will
by Dan McC May 24, 2006 3:24AM PDT

be sufficient for some time. And they have had ways to get legal for years, but it's more cost effective to remain where they are. And without any enforcement of the employment regs there is no down side.

Dan

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So we enforce them...
by EdH May 24, 2006 4:55AM PDT

it's worth a shot. This could be a very good chance both for the illegals and the businesses that employ them.

Do you have any sense of the mood of the country these days? People are really fed up. There are much worse things than this proposal.

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That would be nice but there
by Dan McC May 24, 2006 5:11AM PDT

are extremely powerful business interests stacked up against such enforcement.

Dan

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Such as?
by EdH May 24, 2006 11:12AM PDT

I think they will fall in line...or else.

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Such as the same interests
by Dan McC May 24, 2006 11:43AM PDT

that got an end put to employment enforcement during the last go around on immegration legislation. Those laws are still on the books.

Dan

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Not that I'm accepting that, but...
by EdH May 24, 2006 11:46AM PDT

what's your solution? Assuming you have one.

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It is true regardless of your acceptance.
by Dan McC May 25, 2006 1:45AM PDT

Please refer to my first post in this thread.

Dan

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What I'm not accepting is that the planis doomed ...
by EdH May 25, 2006 2:39AM PDT

because of interests that MIGHT be against it. That's speculation. Motivate them to not oppose it.

Your first post does not detail a plan, just states If private industry were not hiring people they know or strongly suspect to be undocumented the level of boarder crossing would be a fraction of what it is.
 But tehy ARE. That's the problem.

Sorry, but employers won't stop doing that unless workers are given DOCUMENTATION with no alternative. No papers no work. If your workers don't have the documents, you're busted.

If you have something better, let's hear it. Throwing your hands in the air and giving up is not a solution.

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The laws on the books are not
by Dan McC May 25, 2006 2:54AM PDT

being enforced with regard to sanctioning employers. Let's start with that.

Hold your breath.

Dan

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true
by Mark5019 May 23, 2006 7:37AM PDT

they dont. but its a start allways find some one who will talk then send in the ins and bus them to the boarder

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(NT) (NT) Who will talk about what?
by Dan McC May 24, 2006 3:26AM PDT
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an informant you the type
by Mark5019 May 24, 2006 11:14AM PDT

it just takes 1 person to call in and then ins can go in remove ship home

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You're not being clear, Mark.
by Dan McC May 24, 2006 11:41AM PDT

Who do you expect to in form about what subject?

Dan

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dan
by Mark5019 May 24, 2006 11:44AM PDT

an informant who could be anyone who works there knows some who work in a place has non legal imigrants calls ins tip line

this is refering to employers who have these people working

understand?

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Thanks for clarifying.
by Dan McC May 25, 2006 1:46AM PDT

The problem is not finding the employers who are not following the regs. The problem is taking action against them.

Dan

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well when there turned in
by Mark5019 May 25, 2006 2:02AM PDT

and there workers deported, and there company is confiscated like we do drug dealers property will go a long way wouldnt you think?

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(NT) (NT) That doesn't happen, Mark.
by Dan McC May 25, 2006 2:55AM PDT
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it should
by Mark5019 May 25, 2006 3:06AM PDT

and how about a rewards sytem turn in an ileagle and get a $$

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How about a BIG stick, Dan?
by Paul C May 29, 2006 9:48AM PDT

You knowing hire illegals - AFTER a tamper-proof ID for legal immigrants is introduced - and the assets of your company are seized and sold at auction.

In case you're wondering, it's 100% legal, even in the case of corporations; the "corporate veil" is rent upon the commission of crimes by corporate executives, as the cases of Enron, Tyco, WorldCom, et al, prove.

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The current stick may be sufficient
by Dan McC May 30, 2006 6:49AM PDT

but its consistent use is what is lacking.

Dan

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Imagine: Time actually got it right!
by Paul C May 29, 2006 9:16AM PDT

Mike Pence is not my congressman; he's in the district just north of me. However, at least the proposal was presented accurately - a first of sorts for Time.

I should note that the one thing that the story omitted was that Rep. Pence also thinks that birthright citizenship for non-citizens must be abolished - as do I.

If this is not done, then while we can quibble about numbers, the essence of the recent Heritage Foundation report - a deluge of immigrants over the next 20 years - will happen under the bill the Senate passed.

It goes without saying that Rep. Pence also calls for strict border enforcement - which I believe is the essential first step in the process.

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I'm not sure what the...
by tomron May 23, 2006 7:44AM PDT

penalty is,though i'm sure its a pat on the wrist.


If the penalty was more severe,lets say for argument sake,an arbitrary figure like 5 years in jail.This news would eventually spread across the border and have a significant impact on the traffic of illegals.

Point being,stop the games.

Tom

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RE: Plan On Immigration
by caktus May 23, 2006 9:46PM PDT

Here's a [real] ?Border Integrity and Immigration Reform Act?. Send them back the way they came this time and every time, period. And they [will] get the point.

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