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Excerpts of Bush Address

May 15, 2006 8:25AM PDT

On Bush's ideas for immigration overhaul:

"We are a nation of laws, and we must enforce our laws. We are also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways. These are not contradictory goals. America can be a lawful society and a welcoming society at the same time. We will fix the problems created by illegal immigration, and we will deliver a system that is secure, orderly, and fair."

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On border security:

"Since I became president, we have increased funding for border security by 66 percent and expanded the Border Patrol from about 9,000 to 12,000 agents. ... We have apprehended and sent home about 6 million people entering America illegally.

"Despite this progress, we do not yet have full control of the border, and I am determined to change that. Tonight I am calling on Congress to provide funding for dramatic improvements in manpower and technology at the border."

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On a temporary worker program:

"The reality is that there are many people on the other side of our border who will do anything to come to America to work and build a better life. They walk across miles of desert in the summer heat, or hide in the back of 18-wheelers to reach our country. This creates enormous pressure on our border that walls and patrols alone will not stop. To secure the border effectively we must reduce the numbers of people trying to sneak across."

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On enforcement:

"We need to hold employers to account for the workers they hire. It is against the law to hire someone who is in this country illegally. Yet businesses often cannot verify the legal status of their employees because of the widespread problem of document fraud. Therefore, comprehensive immigration reform must include a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility. ...

"A tamper-proof card would help us enforce the law and leave employers with no excuse for violating it. And by making it harder for illegal immigrants to find work in our country, we would discourage people from crossing the border illegally in the first place."

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On amnesty:

"We must face the reality that millions of illegal immigrants are already here. They should not be given an automatic path to citizenship. This is amnesty, and I oppose it. Amnesty would be unfair to those who are here lawfully and it would invite further waves of illegal immigration."

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On assimilation:

"We must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language."

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On the tone of the debate:

"We must always remember that real lives will be affected by our debates and decisions, and that every human being has dignity and value no matter what their citizenship papers say."

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/15/D8HKFH380.html

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(NT) (NT) translation: please vote republican 4get all else
May 15, 2006 8:30AM PDT
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What specifically were your opinions
May 15, 2006 8:52AM PDT

on points he made?

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just glad your not a republican
May 15, 2006 9:39AM PDT

you work for us.
if you support the invaders your just as bad as they are.
i hope we stop the invasion and make them illegals here unwelcome.

just shows you how bad america is people will break the law to get into this horrible country.

and i bet you voted for if your an american band aid kerry the man who ranSad

please if your a voter dont vote republican support dean and hillary make it so much easyier for the republicans

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(NT) (NT) translation: polls low, 'appeal to base' per karl
May 15, 2006 10:07AM PDT
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I agree and disagree
May 15, 2006 9:04AM PDT

Nation of laws... punishing companies who employ illegal aliens has been laughable. The laws are there but have not been enforced.

Border security... "The operation was a technical success but the patient died from blood loss" - immigration reform is a moot point if we can't control our borders.

Temporary worker programs... Look at Europe, look at France this past fall. Worker programs don't work for the workers or the country the workers live in. It only provides cheap labor for businesses.

Enforcement... again, the laws we have aren't being enforced... how will new laws be different?

Tamper proof cards... NATIONAL ID CARDS - HERE WE COME!!! Everyone will need to carry one, else how do you tell the citizen from the guest worker? Will you be ready when the guard at the local check point asks "Papers Please?" as you go to work or the grocery store?

Amnesty and assimilation... I don't see much choice here. We have to assimilate the aliens who own property and run businesses... the people who have invested in the country whether they are here legally or not. Successful assimilation depends on a willingness of the USA to accept the contributions of the immigrants and the value they signify to our society. We can't alienate these folks and we can't realistically deport each and every one of them. Some middle ground will have to be forged.

"We must always remember that real lives will be affected by our debates and decisions, and that every human being has dignity and value no matter what their citizenship papers say."
Nailed this one! Now, if we can reach a bipartisan accord that prioritizes the needs of the folk involved rather than kowtowing to corporate interests we could come out of this as a stronger, closer knit nation.

Bottom line however is it's all so much hot air if we can't control the borders.

grim

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very true on the boarders
May 15, 2006 9:40AM PDT

build wall and defend it.

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The point I've been trying to make
May 15, 2006 9:45AM PDT

Is that we have technology. But if the INS doesn't use it then we may as well throw in the towel. For the most part, they just do not care -- which is why that organization needs to be either scrapped or taken over by another outfit.

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Hey Laura, where do I put these deck chairs?
May 15, 2006 9:46AM PDT

In 13 minutes, the Republican Party will commit ritual suicide at the hands of George W. Bush. It's so sad...

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(NT) (NT) on top of the constitution
May 15, 2006 10:10AM PDT
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Fantastic speech!
May 15, 2006 10:25AM PDT

Surprised me, but I agreed with everything he said!

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i did to mostly
May 15, 2006 10:27AM PDT

of course our unlawfull imagration supporters will not

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(NT) (NT) I smell amnesty
May 15, 2006 10:36AM PDT
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what your smelling is democratic
May 15, 2006 10:49AM PDT

fumes

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Did you listen???
May 15, 2006 10:53AM PDT

He specifically said no amnesty! Sheesh!

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(NT) (NT) sorry, I'm not a believer (unless it's cia intel)
May 15, 2006 11:00AM PDT