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Evacuation suggestion/idea

by TONI H / September 17, 2005 11:42 PM PDT

Wondering about the feasibility of this....

If car sales lots are made aware that some natural catastophe is absolutely imminent, and the very real probability is that all those cars/trucks on their lots (new or used) are going to either be crushed by an earthquake, swept away by mud slides, or flooded....and they are going to have to file for insurance claims anyhow....what's to prevent them from handing keys to local families to be able to evacuate with? I realize that some won't have licenses or insurance....I realize that some of those vehicles will never be recovered due to theft...

I'm talking about saving lives in any way, shape, or form available. I mean, if unknowns can commandeer a bus to get people out, knowing the bus is the only means available, couldn't all those cars/trucks also be used?


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That's and excellent question
by Diana Forum moderator / September 17, 2005 11:44 PM PDT

What did happen to all those car dealerships in the area? I don't remember anyone talking about new cars being flooded. There must be car dealers in the areas flooded.


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My guess is that dealerships ...
by Evie / September 17, 2005 11:47 PM PDT

... moved their inventory. I haven't seen any signs for auto dealers in the footage of N.O.

Evie Happy

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Either that, or ...
by Bill Osler / September 18, 2005 4:58 AM PDT

I wonder how many of those cars are going to end up on the secondary market at used car auctions?

I assume the dealers do carry insurance against losses.

My suspicion is that the dealers were able to move part of their inventory out of the flood area, but surely they couldn't move all the inventory on such short notice! They don't have enough employees to move the cars one at a time, and there probably aren't enough car transport trucks to do the job quickly.

The idea of letting families drive away with cars in an evacuation situation has a certain appeal. My suspicion is that most of the families would return the cars (slightly worse for wear as expected) and that insurance would cover the small number of thefts. Of course, the insurance company might not be happy about the plan.

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Unfortunately a lot will be cleaned and sold without
by Roger NC / September 18, 2005 8:12 AM PDT
In reply to: Either that, or ...

disclosure they were flooded in other states.

There was a problem with after the floods in NC after Floyd. And a few years before that, there were warnings around here of cars being shipped in from somewhere in the midwest that had flooded.

There were all sorts of tips in news about things to look for to catch it, places to check where mud may not have been gotten out, etc.

The other sad truth is that unless laws are passed to prevent it, the dealer would end up being sued by anyone hit by those evacuation drivers since the cars belong to him and he allowed them to drive. Or perhaps I'm too pessimistic and the good samaratan laws would prevent that, where they exist.

There use to be in one in NC, I guess it still is in effect. Basically you couldn't be responsible for damage caused in a good faith effort to help using decisions based on common knowledge.

Sort of like if you dragged someone from a burning vehicle or building, you couldn't be sued for any injuries or disabilities resulting from being moved, etc.



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If eminent domain
by TONI H / September 18, 2005 8:18 AM PDT

covers personal property and not just real estate, the local, state, or federal government should be able to confiscate in emergency situations?


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Possibly, and a possible answer
by Roger NC / September 18, 2005 8:42 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) LOL Good one Rog!
by Evie / September 18, 2005 9:15 AM PDT
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A walking promotion ...
by Evie / September 18, 2005 8:22 AM PDT

... for carfax et. al. I wouldn't buy a used car that originated from a flooded area.

Evie Happy

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Hmm a car never titled except by dealer
by Roger NC / September 18, 2005 8:46 AM PDT

might be moved from dealer to dealer and not get reported to Carfax I suspect.

IT should be reported if damaged by flood, and will be if insurance paid on it, but if not ruled damaged, say a flood that didn't get inside but was up under the carriage, it might never be reported.

But a good source by all accounts.



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It's been a while since I used Carfax ...
by Evie / September 18, 2005 9:07 AM PDT

... but I seem to remember a vehicle or two that had sales in the record between dealers.

The used vehicle we ended up buying originated and was registered in NH. Doubtful it would have gone down to a hurricane area and then been shipped back up.

I'm not saying it's not possible, but if one gets cars that were previously operated in one's general geographical area, it seems to be a pretty safe bet. Any vehicle that had previously been registered in areas that have recently flooded would be immediate "Pass" for me. I suppose new vehicles could be transfered and avoid this, but I trust that the dealers that would RECEIVE vehicles from questionable areas would probably be extra cautious -- they certainly don't want to be found to have sold as new and pristine a vehicle that was previously flooded!

As for N.O. flooded vehicles, I saw footage today of neighborhoods that had just dried out. The "sludge" has dried to a clay-like almost cement coating. It seems to me that cars submerged in that muck for long enough would not be worth the effort to clean up for sale.

Evie Happy

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''Car buyers beware''
by John Robie / September 18, 2005 5:30 AM PDT

''Katrina flooded more than a million vehicles. Don't end up with one.''

That is the headlines on the front page of the Business section in out todays Sunday newspaper, with photos.

''We had up to 65 new-car dealers in the New Orleans area completely wiped out by the storm, and many more in nearby areas were heavily damaged,'' said Bob Israel, executive vice president of the Louisiana dealers' group. ''We could have 250,000 to 500,000 cars un der water just on dealers lots.'' Private owners may have abandoned 700,000 or more vehicles in their garages, driveways and streets when they fled the storm, Israel said. ''The numbers are just massive."


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I remember hearing
by EdH / September 18, 2005 5:27 AM PDT

That some policemen were forced to boost cars from a dealership because their squad cars were rendered inoperable by the flood.

It looks more and more to me that many of the residents who didn't leave simply didn't heed the evacuation order or were waiting for the promised buses, or thought that they'd just have to spend a day or two in an evacuation anter and then go home. Not so much that they didn't have the means to leave, they chose not to.

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May be a good suggestion Toni
by John Robie / September 18, 2005 5:36 AM PDT

for a Cat 4 & 5 advance warning, along with our 'suggest' of magnetic signs on copters & vehicles.

Early on reading that thugs/hoodlums were stealing vehicles, believe to roam and loot, but perhaps some non-thug good citizens did also to get out of Dodge.

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