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Entitlement cuts

Oct 17, 2018 12:53AM PDT

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There are a couple of errors in the article
Oct 17, 2018 2:46AM PDT

The most blatant of them is calling the current deficit amount an 'all time high'....how quickly it's forgotten that with BO's first five years, that deficit was over a trillion each year.


As for 'cutting' SS and Medicare, it's absolutely necessary to bring it back to something sustainable if those programs are going to continue to be under government control instead of weaning people away from it and having private solutions and personal responsibility. Social programs forced by government never work and need to be considered to be 'failed experiments'. The place to start the cutting is what I mentioned the other day, Take people off the SS Disability, especially those who got into the programs which includes Medicare during the BO administration when he allowed those who lost their unemployment benefits and immediately diverted to Disability benefits instead because the eligibility requirements were lowered. The same thing happened with 'welfare' benefits such as housing, food stamps, and Medicaid. Take a look at the Clinton Welfare Reform bill that was passed in the late 90's,,,,,limits were set on not only who could qualify, but also how long you could collect. Welfare to work actually worked greatly and must be implemented again.

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Where did you see
Oct 17, 2018 4:53AM PDT

All time high in the article?

Yes BO had higher but that was during a down economy.

Stop ranting about BO.

Now the repubs are driving the bus in an up economy and we are seeing some big numbers.

Could some of this be because of repub tax breaks for the wealthy?

Yes there are people on social programs who are questionable.

Is that what Mitch is talking about?

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sorry...." the record-high federal deficit "
Oct 17, 2018 5:25AM PDT

This is the first deficit that Trump actually is involved with, and he specifically stated that he reluctantly signed that budget because he wanted the defense budget and that he would never sign another one like it again.

So you are excusing BO AGAIN for FIVE YEARS' worth of over a TRILLION EACH YEAR? Gimme a break with your crap again. We've had down economies before and NEVER did what he did in order to recover and recover at a much faster pace than his agendas. IF you don't want me talking about BO and the bulls... sandwich he gave people, then you have to stop slamming Trump for actually turning this economy completely around in less than two years when BO couldn't do ANYTHING about it in 8 except make it worse than it had ever been in our history. His National Debt ALONE was higher than ALL of the presidents COMBINED before him.

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More Toni garbage
Oct 17, 2018 5:55AM PDT

I never said anything about excusing BO.

Your just like the Don and making up stuff.

Does that come with being a righty?

The Don did not turn the economy around it was already heading up.

All he had to do was sit still and take the credit.....which he has.

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I didn't make up anything....
Oct 17, 2018 9:22AM PDT

The GDP never changed during BO, most of the 'jobs' were still part-time types, the consumer confidence was negligible if there was any, mfg jobs were non-existent because he claimed they were never coming back, he was still pumping $85B per month into Wall Street (making his rich donors richer, which is something you claim Trump's tax cuts did), the military was squashed to a mere shell, illegals were still pouring into the country totally protected for the most part by his order and sanctuary city crap, his first five years in office offered up over a TRILLION every year for the annual deficit because of his spending agendas, Obamacare was and still is costing over a trillion every year, the national debt was still climbing, the interest on his excessive borrowing is unsustainable, and policies regarding police enforcement was beyond believe allowing completely out of control rioting and destruction (the businesses destroyed should have been suing the Oval Office over it).

Do you really believe Trump has been sitting still for 18 months?

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BO
Oct 17, 2018 4:23PM PDT

Inherited an economy going down hill.
I gave him credit for getting that direction stopped.
I said nothing about any of his other policies.

The Don sitting still?......nope.....he's been busy giving a tax cut to the wealthy and making an *ss hole out of himself.

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Economy going downhill
Oct 18, 2018 12:52AM PDT

We've been down that road before, not only here in SE, but in real life (the GREAT Depression that lasted five years or less and the one in 1920 that lasted ONE year) and other than FDR starting WPA and TVA (a Federally owned corporation that many question since it destroyed most of the Tenn Valley area and displaced thousands), the economy in both instances recovered on its own. FDR also created many of the social programs, including Social Security, that continue to this day but are unsustainable because of so many 'progressive' additions made to it.

IF TARP had been the ONLY bailout, the economy again would have recovered on its own (it would have anyhow even without TARP, but too many saw an opportunity in the chaos). BO did NOT have to continue with additional crap and putting millions of people into permanent programs they weren't eligible for on unnecessary borrowed money and printed money like it was a game of Monopoly.


The only thing you keep harping on with Trump is the tax cut 'for the wealthy' and his temperament. You haven't said a word about the FACTUAL and DOCUMENTED stats showing that BO's dumping trillions into Wall Street made HIS friends and donors wealthier during the 'economic downfall' period while everyone else lost everything they had. As far as anyone can tell from the CURRENT stats in this past year is that REAL people are benefiting from the Trump tax cuts, and they haven't even seen the full benefits of it yet because they haven't filed their tax returns for this year yet. You are so quick to condemn without ALL of the information....you still only have your OPINION. If you have info we don't know about because you make yourself out to be this terrific economist, please share....

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I don't rant about BO
Oct 18, 2018 1:41AM PDT

Because BO is not the prez.
That seems to be your thing rant/rant/rant about the past.
Ryan's tax cut bill was skewed toward the wealthy.
Yes there are some middle class people who will see a benefit.
Those are the people who will take the extra money and spend it.
Think consumer driven economy.
The wealthy types who have more money than they can spend will put the extra money in the bank or buy stocks.
That does not do much for the economy.

I'm not an economist but I know how to read.
Your just so hung up about things that happened under BO that your blind to what is happening today.

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Actually many of those 'wealthy types'
Oct 18, 2018 6:07AM PDT

own businesses that have benefitted from those tax cuts and regulations that have been done away with....and put the money not only back into their businesses to expand but into pay increases and/or bonuses and hired more people. That's called capitalism, Bob. They WEREN'T doing it under BO even with all the economic wealth THEY got and parked overseas or sent their businesses out of the country in order to make even more money.

YOU are the one who is blind to the reality of not only what happened under BO and all his phony stimulus cash that NOBODY but his friends and donors benefited from but also the good economic changes Trump has made that has benefited millions in a short period of time. BO COULD have done it, but he had an entirely different and selfish liberal/socialist agenda and it didn't include the people he cared nothing about, like the auto workers by the thousands who lost jobs along with all the vendors and car dealerships that went under after his 'great' deal making, the coal industry and those thousands of workers that turned entire towns into ghost towns, etc.

I don't care that you keep saying that you don't talk about BO because he isn't president....but he's not been president for only 18 months so the ramifications of what he DID do still linger and if you are going to slam Trump for HIS decisions, you should also be aware that he ALSO inherited a crappy economy that was in a lot worse shape than he HAD to if BO had made better decisions.

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The past
Oct 18, 2018 7:24AM PDT

We can all say if I did this or if I did that.
It does not matter it's over it's done.
What BO did is history.
You keep wanting to bring up history and carp about it.
Focus on who is driving the bus today.

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I DO focus on Trump
Oct 18, 2018 11:44AM PDT

When you say 'it does not matter it's over it's done' you don't really believe it because you insist on excusing the economic destruction BO did in 8 years by saying repeatedly that he inherited what he 'fixed'.....and yet it's REALLY Trump 8 years later that is REALLY fixing it. So YOUR history is excused and let off the hook while REALITY is happening to actually taking care of something BO COULD have done had he actually cared enough to do it. Instead, he was busy keeping a campaign promise to TRANSFORM AMERICA via the old 60's theme song of 'tear it down from the inside'. That's the school book HE was learning from during his 'so high I don't remember the last two years of school' and becoming a community organizer of misfits who wanted to take over while Trump was actually learning how to build an empire and bring that business sense to the Oval Office one day.

When YOU can finally give him credit for the good he's done already, I'll stop getting in your face about BO and the wreck he left at Trump's feet. You see, I'm NOT the kind of Republican Conservative that liberals try to shout down or tell to 'sit down and shut up' in order to get their way. I don't go away and I'll remind you of that every day.

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More Toni Tripe
Oct 18, 2018 4:30PM PDT

I did not excuse BO of anything.
I gave him credit for stopping the downward direction of the economy.
Could he have done things different.....sure....but I don't carp about it daily like you do.

As for the Don.....what has he done?
He's shown the world what an 'A' Hole he is and he signed a tax cut for the wealthy.

He built his business world using daddy's money and a squad of legal types and not paying taxes and stiffing creditors.
He might have learned that stuff from his father.

I expect you to continue to do what your doing and that is to inject some anti-BO rant into every thread you can.

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Envy
Oct 18, 2018 5:09PM PDT

dripping off your post. It's a rot in one's soul. Be happy with what you have. If someone has more, be happy for them.

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Thank you preacher James
Oct 18, 2018 6:48PM PDT

Did they teach you that stuff in one of those man made fiction classes?

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Your second paragraph
Oct 19, 2018 1:29AM PDT

is the only thing you've been able to state REPEATEDLY for months already...because you've got NOTHING else is your basket, Bob....and you call MY posts 'tripe'? MY posts are your history lessons.

Your third paragraph is nothing more than typical liberal rhetoric, again because you have NOTHING. Liberals do this all the time....formulate accusations out of thin air without proof just to see how many out there will take it as truth and jump on your hate train. Just as the Don Lemon types decided to bring Kanye's dead mother into the 'shame' game, YOU reached into that same basket of crap and dragged out Trump's dead father. That's because liberals don't know anything but how to smear without evidence or facts with one goal in mind....win and resume power.

Another history lesson for you.....DEMS have controlled Local, State, and Federal government power far more often than Republicans in the last 100+ years (destroying our economy and people's lives every time) by slowly moving into a socialist society direction and using 'freebies' to pave the way to 'guarantee' votes. Because it worked so well for them for so long, they are dumbfounded now as they realize it's not working out so well for them anymore and the people they've kept chained to them are breaking away. To prove my point, see if you can find one city or State across the country that has been run by Dems for years that isn't broke and dependent on FEDERAL funds to keep them afloat and/or isn't crime/corruption filled.

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2nd paragraph
Oct 19, 2018 3:08AM PDT

That's what I see that he's done.
Do you have something to add to that other than EO's?

3rd paragraph is an opinion based on what I'm reading and my dislike for the salesman/conman.

I don't give the dems a free pass at all.
I think many are too far to the left.

Your post are not a history lesson they are just a way for you to rant about the dems.

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Have you been actually
Oct 19, 2018 5:39AM PDT

keeping up with all of his REAL accomplishments besides EO's (the majority of which were to undo all of BO's EO's that hurt the economy he had no desire to make better because the more the USA appeared to be in decline, the better the global agenda he wanted was looked)? Or are you so inclined to ONLY read/view the MSM versions of what Trump has managed to do that has actually massively improved this economy?

Your third paragraph is nothing more than crap. You literally had a 'constitutional' teacher (the ONLY job he ever had) with a deep seated hatred for the USA that brought him tremendous benefits but who felt that he had to apologize for everything about it but benefited greatly from it (go figure THAT one out since it's the same story of elitist types across the country). You talk about a 'con man'....he was the most silver-forked-tongued a..hole you could imagine and managed to convince so many that we're nothing but a bunch of racists (and YET we had evolved so heavily since the 60's that we were READY to elect a BLACK man to the highest office TWICE of this racist country). Are you serious????????

You claim that you believe many Dems have gone too far left, but I've yet to see you post even ONE story in the news about the mob rule and the literal attacks, including from a Dem paid operative, that have used physical abuse against them. Three attacks just this week already. You DO realize that the amped up crap coming from Dem LEADERS, including those in the House and Senate, ENCOURAGING it is going to get somebody seriously hurt or killed, don't you?

Yes, I'm ranting about the Dems and BO....because liberals like YOU won't condemn publicly the actions being encouraged across the country because of their hatred of Trump and their inability to accept the loss of power that they crave and have gotten used to having. Dems USED to be for the little guy (or so they boasted), but when the little guy turns away from their lies finally, they are nowhere to be seen where the ACLU or NOW would have stood up for the liberties of ALL. They were non-partisan and have gone as loony as the left now.

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Opinion
Oct 19, 2018 6:54AM PDT

I make my opinion known at the polls.
If some pol comes across as far left or right I can't vote for that person.
These extremist people running around and attacking others I don't have an answer for.
I suppose I could set up a soap box on the corner and tell everyone to calm down but I might get myself shot by some nut case.

It seems like the entire country has divided it self into far left or right.
I can't join either group.

Yes I think the Don is a jerk.

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Until Mitch states
Oct 17, 2018 5:27AM PDT

the cuts he wants to impose, even YOU don't know. I gave MY opinion on what should be cut. It worked for Reagan and could easily and quickly work again, so it's my HOPE.