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El Paso shooting

Reuters has an audio feed just now of a press conference in re treatment of victims.
Half dozen or so military ER/trauma medics flown in from somewhere. Military, because 'That's the kind of injuries we're seeing here.'
Among other takeaways, the lead surgeon's expert opinion was of 'a high-velocity projectile wound' to one man. (They'll have to replace half his foot.) Military; likely not an "AK type" but "an AR type". US, smaller caliber, higher velocity.
Only reason for the existence of such a weapon is to kill human beings, as their inventors could tell us.

Trump did get something right. Mental illness should be targeted as a proximate cause. (In England and Japan the crazies do their killing with knives.) However, that sort of illness is so widespread and ingrained that none of man's governments can handle it. Not even one with a good track record of caring for the vulnerable.

The first recorded crime was disobedience. The second was murder.

Here's what y'all are up against. 2Tim 3:1-5. Yet, after the last days cited there, comes Rev 21:3,4. That's what we're guaranteed.

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I'd have to think that any gun control legislation

would have minimal impact on eliminating or reducing the frequency of such occurrences. It would, however, offer a positive showing for politicians eager to gain or maintain more control of DC. They could always attempt to ban and confiscate such weapons but that only goes so far. What they can't ban or confiscate is the desire these shooters have to carry out such evil. I do find it interesting that, in so many cases, it's found that these killers gave signals to someone that they were dangerous. But our laws don't allow for a person to be held based on prediction.

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"What they can't ban or confiscate

is the desire these shooters have to carry out such evil."

Thanks, Steven, for the affirmation.
I was afraid I had come up with it just because I'm a religious fanatic. Happy

As to gun control, if I'm right about the AK/AR killing machines, they could be taken away without inconveniencing a single hunter of four-legged prey. That's a big, deadly bunch gone right there. (Not even a hardened home defense person would miss them. A Glock is less uncomfortable under the pillow, and comes more readily to hand.)
But hoo-eee! The screams of the others would be heartrending. (Like those in Dayton and El Paso.) Not gonna happen.

As to hate blogs, in fact they are just about dead at this moment because of constructive actions by their former protective services. (Shut down by DDoS attacks.) As Ahnold said though, 'They will be bach.'

Recent news shows that some of the hate posts, when tracked by name, were very indicative of at least a strong wannabe desire. Some could have been used to predict. Free speech, you'll recall, does not protect crying "[epithet!]" in a crowded forum. SE s/w agrees, as we know.
I don't recommend this, for a number of reasons. One is that it would require hiring and equipping thousands of humans to monitor these sites. But we already know how difficult it is to retain staff on the "clean" sites, the Z-man's especially.

There is, though, Ps 37:28,29 to wait for.

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Taking away the weapons

Sorry to say that I'm not that confident that such an attempt would do much good. We can make laws but there's a reason some are called "criminals". They don't respect the law. A call for surrender of such weapons, if banned, would only be obeyed by the law biding. In such a case, about all you'd remove is the possibility that surrendered weapons could not be stolen by....criminals. Shut down the legal gun stores and the underground takes full control of the distribution network. Won't happen? Can't happen? My guess is otherwise.

If you wish, we can wax religious on this and recall a conversation between Abraham and God about the topic of deserved punishment. God's ways have, in some cases, almost been replaced in our secular law. Man's law tends to punish the many for the sins of the few. Those who are obedient to man's law become collateral damage.

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OT priests

Wow, even the priests were "packing".

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2032:26-28&version=KJ21

26 then Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, “Who is on the Lord’S side? Let him come unto me.” And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

27 And he said unto them, “Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: ‘Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.’”

28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses, and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

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That was the outcome of the calf worship.

The important thing always is the true worship of Jehovah. That's how the participants were dealt with. Notice that Moses called to him all those who were "on Jehovah's side". It was the Levites who responded, as well they should have. Their exclusive duty was to organize and teach the exclusive worship of God. They were not soldiers.
Earlier, the Levite Phinehas took it on himself to perform a similar duty and was commended for it. Ex 25:6 ff.

We can learn something from the golden calf episode. Modern Christendom is accretionist, with liturgies and customs borrowed from all over.
The calf was made because the Israelites felt lost in the wilderness without Moses visible in their midst. Like many today they worshiped by sight, not by faith. 2Cor 5:7. Hence the elaborate architecture of many churches. They also add holidays and feast days, none of which are biblical. They will excuse it by saying 'Our leaders have instituted these to comfort and reassure us' or 'After all, it's for the kids.'
The calf worship was instituted by High Priest Aaron himself, in a moment of weakness. He announced "There is a festival to Jehovah tomorrow."
So, the High Priest starts it, dedicates it to Jehovah, and watches as "[the people] got up to have a good time."
What did God think of it? "So about 3,000 men were killed on that day."

The prime takeaway is that we don't need a rule about every possible borrowed custom. We have better- a principle from Jehovah that covers any such occasion.

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"God's ways

have, in some cases, almost been replaced in our secular law" beginning in history at Genesis 3.

If the Bible is true- and a Roman Catholic must agree*- then that chapter has the root causes of everything in life and the universe. Unless Jehovah is helpless the way out ought to be somewhere in the book as well. (If he's helpless, that deletes Gen 1:1, and we can all watch football on Sunday. I've met so many- evev nominal Christians and Muslims who buy into the helpless bit. Can't help them.)

"Jesus saves", they say. What good is that, when I have this arthritis? Isa 33:24 has a clue.
And no resident [or “inhabitant] will say: “I am sick.” The people dwelling in the land will be pardoned for their error.


* Aargh! More torture! Happy

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To continue with stupidphone.

The wages of sin is death, never mind arthritis. But, if we're pardoned for our sin, something only Jehovah can do, once for all, then no more sickness or death. That zooms us over to Rev 21:3,4.
End of story.
As Isaiah said, it's the people dwelling in the land who will benefit. Cf. Gen 1:28 The folks in heaven will be OK too, I'm told. Good on 'em.
No more mankilling weapons. Ps 46:9
No more hatred. John 13:33,34
No more racists. Acts 10:34,35
No more politicians. Eph 4:25
No more nationalism. Dan 2:44

Would you like to live in a country like that? I would. The Bible is the citizenship manual.

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Jesus Saves

You say, "But, if we're pardoned for our sin, something only Jehovah can do,

The Bible says concerning Christ (Not Jehovah);

Acts 4:12 "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

1 John 2:2 "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

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Jesus

JW Heresy you give.

Acts 4:12

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

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James, my research shows you've been shown the Bible's view

of this topic. No need to repeat.

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"Vanilla Sky", right?

Turned out to be a fraud, I think. Happy

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Not Vanilla Sky.

Another Cruise sci-fi outing called Minority Report.
Predicting crimes specifically and then putting the to-be perp in protective custody. Turned out to be a case of Heinlein's "Quis custodet ..." problem.

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Confiscation.....

there are a few of the Dem candidates again suggesting this as an 'option'.....However, it's laughable when you actually think about it.

ICE can't go door to door and Census documentation isn't allowed to ask if you belong here, but law enforcement can now go door to door and take what you legally own based on some politician's belief that you 'shouldn't' have it.

OK.....let's walk down that road re: consequences of that action. Cops get shot at the doorway now because they don't know what they will be walking into....it's bad enough that it happens over a normal arrest warrant being issued or responding to a domestic violence call; how you're asking them to absolutely risk their lives solely over your political agenda?

So....what's the next consequence? Cops shooting back at people on a more regular basis than happens now because they will be using THEIR guns to confiscate YOURS.....and that's what? OK with the politicians who demanded this action?

There were THREE mass shootings over the weekend, but only TWO have been reported. 7 people killed and 55+ wounded in Chicago....where's the media on THAT story? The media has stopped reporting ANYTHING about the Chicago killings because it's an EVERY WEEKEND situation there.....is that the media's new 'normal'? Is it because nearly all of THOSE killings are from handguns and not the AK/AR and the outcry to 'get the guns off the street' isn't even feasible to suggest? Can you see Chicago's cops knocking on doors THERE trying to confiscate guns....legal or illegal? Hell, most of them won't even go into some areas, such as housing projects.

There are some citizens who refuse to leave their houses and have actually begged for the National Guard to be brought in to clean 'house' there. They don't let their children sleep in their beds and make them sleep on the floor instead in order to not get shot through the walls.

But let's not cover the terror they all live in on a daily basis because El Paso and Dayton is more to the 'liking' of some politician's agenda. Just like the New York Times being pressured into changing their headline because it wasn't 'good enough' for somebody with influence. "Free speech" is only 'free speech' when you say what you are TOLD to say now....if you buck THAT system, you must be a racist and need to be silenced.

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RE: confiscation

No I don't see how that's going to work.

We could block the legal sales/transfers of certain types of weapons.

We could start a buy back program for these weapons.

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RE:They don't let their children sleep in their beds
They don't let their children sleep in their beds and make them sleep on the floor instead in order to not get shot through the walls.

Are the parents also sleeping n the floor?

Make a purchase?

These are available....Ballistic Blankets.....instead of making the kids sleep on the floor for the next ten years? Maybe even buy some for the parents so the kids don't lose their parents?

Versatile & Mobile
The protective blanket can be used for protecting walls, covering a running person, covering a suspicious package and much more. It easily bends to conform to the need – and is highly durable.

RE:OK.....let's walk down that road

Let's walk down THIS road

Everybody in America votes for DJT AND nobody ever gets shot in a mass shooting?

PS...let me re-phase my question

A majority of Americans vote for DJT AND nobody ever gets shot in a mass shooting?

IF everybody voted for him it MIGHT reduce the number of mass shootings. IF a majority voted the minority MIGHT still be dissatisfied with the government actions

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People voted for Bill, George, and BO

and mass shootings were happening on THEIR watches as well. So what's your point when it comes to Trump? There IS no point, other than it gives you something else to post babble about. YOUR road is about as forked as Dems' tongues.

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Why not just brick up the

INSIDE walls now, too? Come back when you have something/ANYTHING to discuss that isn't crap. Obviously, you're just fine with Chicago innocents being collateral damage, just as the liberal media is, because it doesn't fit the talking points/agenda.

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RE: Come back when you have something

Such as?

a "joke"?

there are a few of the Dem candidates again suggesting this as an 'option'.....However, it's laughable when you actually think about it.

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So you don't see

their option as a joke?

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RE:So you don't see their option as a joke?

No more than your option of bricking up the inside walls.

the Trump solution for everything?

BRICKS!.........BUY BRICKS!!!!!!!....LOTS OF BRICKS!!!!!!!!

In the meantime while you're bricking up the house you can use the Ballistic Blanket I suggested...

I see you haven't commented on my logic concerning DJTs miserable life comment, YET.

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Trump and his family

have never appeared to be 'miserable' with their current lives since entering the campaign and winning the election. The fact that OTHERS have been MADE miserable by deliberately using slimy tactics to ruin them is very real advice/warnings is realistic.

Bricking the inside of a house to protect the occupants is better than your stupid blanket....it doesn't appear that your suggestion would stop certain bullets currently on the street. And that wasn't Trump's solution....it was mine.

You continue to target the wrong person in your criticism....

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RE: And that wasn't Trump's solution....it was mine.
And that wasn't Trump's solution....it was mine.

You continue to target the wrong person in your criticism....


I was pointing out how DJT AND his supporters think BRICKS are the answer to many problems......

You ARE a Trump supporter aren't you?

BRICKS?

Bulletproof(stupid blanket) backpacks are an excellent back to school gift......a backpack full of BRICKS will also work.

Have you mentioned your BRICK solution to anyone else?

I'd rather have the young ones packing a Ballistic material backpack...however lugging a bunch of rocks in a backpack will be good for their muscles.....that and sleeping on a hard floor....they'll be ready for anything life throws at them.

AMERICA?...Where people sleep on the floor for fear of being shot.....COME ON UP/ DOWN!!!!!!!

Nothing like instilling fear in the young ones. Do they let them have a mattress or do they sleep right on the floor?

RE: Trump and his family have never appeared to be 'miserable' with their current lives since entering the campaign and winning the election. The fact that OTHERS have been MADE miserable by deliberately using slimy tactics to ruin them is very real advice/warnings is realistic.

They don't "appear to be miserable" BUT they are

You left out the fact that DJT SAID it was miserable.....Just what I've been saying HE said....

HE admitted it was A MISERABLE LIFE.

OK...I'm done here(in this post/subject for now)
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actually

a backpack with schoolbooks will stop a bullet quicker. Ever shot a .22 into a phonebook? Try it sometime, like one from Houston, or other large city.

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Books stop bullets?

Perhaps instead of sleeping on the floor,,,children could sleep in libraries...lots of books AND it's really quiet.

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I guess you've never

been told by the liberal media of the countless number of people who have been killed INSIDE the 'safety' of their own homes/apartments by bullets being fired OUTSIDE during gang wars or drive-bys because bullets DO go through the walls.....and pretty damn often.

YOU'RE the ******* who suggested lining the inside walls with your stupid blankets instead of bricking them up....YOU never mentioned children with backpacks. I was specifically talking about their HOMES and you completely ignored the topic to veer off into your Lalaland crap again. I'm glad you're done here......you ARE, aren't you?

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RE: those "stupid blankets"
Bulletproof blanket seeks to shield kids during school shootings

the Bodyguard is bullet-resistant. It's made from the same materials used in military and law enforcement body armor. Instead of having kids put on a flak vest, though, it puts the material in a form that can be folded up and then unfolded to create a body shelter. It has straps that help hold it in place like a backpack. ProTecht posted a video of the blanket undergoing a ballistics test, if you're curious about how it behaves under fire.


Speaking of rock/bricks....

HARRISBURG, Pa. (Reuters) - A rural Pennsylvania school district has equipped all 200 of its classrooms with buckets of rocks that students and teachers could use as a “last line of defense” in the event of a school shooting, the district’s superintendent said on Friday.

The buckets are just one of the measures that Blue Mountain School District in Orwigsburg, Pennsylvania, has put in place this academic year, along with security cameras, secured building entrances and fortified classroom doors, Superintendent David Helsel said in a telephone interview.


Desperate times call for desperate measures? In Virginia they could have buckets of coal, much dirtier and not as heavy as rocks.

RE:lining the inside walls with your stupid blankets instead of bricking them up....YOU never mentioned children with backpacks. I was specifically talking about their HOMES and you completely ignored the topic to veer off into your Lalaland crap again. I'm glad you're done here......you ARE, aren't you?

it appears I'm not done yet, there still seems to be some confusion on your part....

It's much easier to put up a ballistic blanket than a brick wall....You could put the Ballistic blanket up and they do sell wall paper with a Brick Pattern...that way you have the efficiency and appearance of a brick wall without the weight of all those bricks.

You have no problem using a "stupid blanket material" for a backpack?...but you won't use it to protect you when it's used as a blanket that could cover your entire body?

Well that doesn't make sense.
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Are those kids

expected to supply their OWN protection now? What? They wrap up before leaving the house, get to school, and wrap back up as they head for home? Are they supposed to sleep in them, too?

Like I said....Lalaland crap from you as usual.

Much better and more efficient to have the mayor or governor of Illinois call Trump and request the National Guard to come in and clean up the streets finally. Interviews with those who LIVE there have shown that even THEY want that.

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RE: more efficient

People shouldn't talk to anyone about efficiency when they recommend putting up a brick wall INSIDE their house.

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I didn't recommend anything

I asked if that was going to be the next step in trying to protect themselves.

And people like AOC shouldn't be talking to anyone about efficiency when they recommend rebuilding every house and business in the USA to make them conform to bull.... climate change crap.

So you don't believe the NG should be called in to clean up Chicago even though the people who live there are asking for that help?

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RE: I didn't recommend anything

You just threw it out there and wanted to see if it would stick...on a brick wall?

Your words....

Bricking the inside of a house to protect the occupants is better than

"better than" isn't a recommendation?

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