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Ed O'D........on ethics and accuracy

by jonah jones May 24, 2007 12:37PM PDT

it would have been 'ethical' for you to have followed my advice to kiddpeat and take your complaints about my moderation in any Cnet forum to Lee Koo

as you and kiddpeat seem to be sharing emails, it would have been 'ethical' for you to have corrected him on several of his so called "facts" and have saved him from the embarrassment

as was pointed out in the past, to base a campaign on the accusation that a particular moderator deleted a thread when you have seven moderators in SE and another 20 working Cnet forums is a foolish mistake, to post that accusation is an embarrassment, IMO, both for the accused and the accuser to continue to do so, after being told "i didn't do it" is nothing short of stupidity!


a lot of people are screaming that's against the ToS!!, those same people seem to ignore the fact that a post or thread can be deleted and no explanation is needed, in other words Ed, it doesn't matter who deleted a post/thread or why, but i'll tell you two things Ed, (1) when i say "i didn't lock that thread" it's the truth, (2)it was me who deleted your "ethics thread....

i'll break tradition and tell you whyA: i believe that posting private/cnet emails is stepping over the line and B: the thread was a gallery of aliases and MPDs that was frightening to behold

(and as you are "computer savvy" you know that the thread still exists in the Cnet resevoir and if Lee decides that i was wrong to delete it, it will be restored)


jonah

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If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you did
by Richard McDonald May 24, 2007 12:51PM PDT

send the email which was quoted. Is it normal for moderators here to send this kind of material to a member?

I will certainly have to be careful what I say here. Thanks for the warning.

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FYI Mr. McDonald
by grimgraphix May 24, 2007 1:22PM PDT

Moderators are volunteers... not paid employees so if/when a moderator sends you an email... it is between two individuals... not an employee who is paid to serve you.

As for comments about the content of the email you refer to... were you privy to the whole email or just the edited bits? In other words, why do you suddenly have a dog in this hunt?

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Let me be clear to all that send me e-mail. If anyone...
by Jack Ammann May 24, 2007 5:40PM PDT

...sends me mail or any other electronic transmission, and it's on my computer, it becomes my property to do with anything I elect to do. Likewise, any electronic transmission I send to anyone else, becomes their property to do with anything they see fit to do...like read it, delete it, post it, forward it to anyone else or any other action that strikes their fancy.

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Some people received
by Terry Browne May 24, 2007 2:42PM PDT

much worse threats from a former mod named David Evans. That was of the kind like "Don't you post that carp again or else...".

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(NT) Might your post be called desecration of the deceased?
by Jack Ammann May 24, 2007 5:24PM PDT
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more hearsay than desecration
by jonah jones May 24, 2007 7:16PM PDT

DE passed away 6 months before he became a member

no doubt it's just urban myth


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Ooooh Jonah,.. I didn't think of that little...
by Jack Ammann May 24, 2007 10:13PM PDT

...aspect about "Terry Browne". You bring up a very interesting point...LOL. Goooood catch.

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No need to make a big deal out of it
by Terry Browne May 24, 2007 10:33PM PDT

but I said SOME PEOPLE, meaning not me, but people I've gotten to know through this forum and others who were members at the time!

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Let's see now...my old Pappy told me some...
by Jack Ammann May 25, 2007 4:23AM PDT

...wise words one day long ago when I tried to "snow" him...something like, "Yeah, Uhhhhhh Huhhhhhh"...LOL.

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How is it that you are familiar with David Evans?
by Kiddpeat May 25, 2007 4:13AM PDT

You showed up here long after his time on cnet.

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(NT) That has been replied already in this same thread.
by Terry Browne May 25, 2007 5:01AM PDT
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You said: ...
by Jack Ammann May 24, 2007 5:56PM PDT

..."I will certainly have to be careful what I say here."

Isn't that the modus operandi in this forum and always has been?

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Ummmmmm, in my posts yesterday I never said YOU deleted the
by Kiddpeat May 24, 2007 1:52PM PDT

posts. I simply said they were deleted.

Of course, since then, you've said you will delete ANY post I make in SE. It surely is reasonable after that statement to assert that you are doing the deletions. If it isn't you, then I guess you were foolish when you announced your plan to me.

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I havent even read any posts since january
by gearup May 25, 2007 2:40AM PDT

but much to my disgust the same sandbox nonsense goes on. I see all of it as "trolling" and I think ALL of you should grow up! You might discover that being an adult is FUN!

Dont bother to respond as I wont be back for another few months!!!!Maybe by then something will have changed,,,but I have my doubts about that!

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Why are you responding to me?
by Kiddpeat May 25, 2007 4:10AM PDT

I'm simply setting the record straight. Do you think that's a frivolous thing to do?

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Jonah, since you are still moderating and posting...
by Edward ODaniel May 25, 2007 4:31AM PDT

it is quite apparent that you are not a man of your word.

Do you deny that you have been deleting posts rather than responding to them? pb[It has been shown that you have and YOUR "DEAL" was rather clear that if such could be shown you would cease moderating and posting.

Do you deny that you have been locking posts to prevent responses to them? It has been shown that you have and YOUR "DEAL" was rather clear that if such could be shown you would cease moderating and posting.

Do you deny that you threatened to (and carried out that threat) to delete the posts of a member who not only has never been banned but still isn't? It has been shown that you have and YOUR "DEAL" was rather clear that if such could be shown you would cease moderating and posting.

You are NOT a man of your word and it is plain that your word is not your bond and that has been amply demonstrated and is not even up for discussion.

Your own words brand you Jonah. "but i'll tell you two things Ed, (1) when i say "i didn't lock that thread" it's the truth, (2)it was me who deleted your "ethics thread.... and that deletion was an fine example of exactly what you claim you don't do then turn around and do anyway. Then AFTER deleting that thread (and I will agree that last time I saw it it was mostly MPD individuals who posted which would certainly warrant either deleting ANY OF THOSE POSTS or locking per SOP) YOU initiated a new thread (this one) to essentially carry on the original thread and time after time we have ALL (you included) been informed that such is a violation of ToS.

Won't hold you to not posting in SE Jonah but a man of his integrity whose word was good would indeed STOP ABUSING the powers and priviledges of a moderator.

In regard to the emails, what you believe is not germain. An email made public by the recipient is in the public domain whether you like it or not so it would behoove you to NOT send any emails that you would not (do not) like to be made public. They are NEWS Jonah and legitimate topics of discussion in SE.

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Do you deny that you have been locking posts
by JP Bill May 25, 2007 4:45AM PDT
Do you deny that you have been locking posts to prevent responses to them?

Effects of locking a thread

Prevents further responses

What other purpose does the "lock" serve?

Doesn't that apply to anyone that locks a thread?
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JP ...
by Edward ODaniel May 25, 2007 5:09AM PDT

There you go doing what you do best - post unthinkingly and without even a modicum of knowledge of the actual subject matter.

to get you up to speed (and since Jonah himself started this thread based on one he deleted reposting the info is not any violation)-

QUOTED FROM PREVIOUS THREAD TO ALLOW JP TO UNDERSTAND REFERENCES HE OTHERWISE APPEARD TO NOT ACTUALLY BE AWARE OF

A question of ethics... - New!
by Edward ODaniel - 5/24/07 2:12 PM

Jonah, you recently (6 May) said in an email -

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here's the deal

if you can find a thread (posted since 01/01/07) that i locked to avoid answering a question or to not have to face 'facts' presented by you, i'll stop posting or moderating in SE

if you can't, you stop posting in SE

and btw, to keep this "fair"....if you try to do what markG did (refused to believe that Angeline deleted a thread and kept on 'doing his thing') or ignore this email, i will see that as grounds to delete on sight any post by you -starting 12 hours from the sending of this email."

You just yesterday posted the following -
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6130_102-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=249074&messageID=2494177

You were shown exactly what you asked for so are you going to stand by your word?

Is it necessary to show how "nicely" you worded your emails to him?

If yesterday's link isn't proof enough that you have done what you claim you haven't how about these -

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6130_102-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=244803&messageID=2469804

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6130_102-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=242640&messageID=2457034

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6130_102-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=185944&messageID=2024899#2024899

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6130_102-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=243789&messageID=2467316#2467316

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6130_102-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=240515&messageID=2444361#2444361

The actual list is rather extensive.

You are guilty of ABUSING your position as a moderator, all that remains is to see if you have the ethical integrity to abide by the agreement YOU MADE in an unsolicited email.

You made your bed ...

END OF QUOTED MATERIAL

now JP you should be able to grasp what the reference to "locking posts to prevent responses to them" actually refers to although I have my suspicions that you already did and are simply attempting to divert attention from the actual topic at hand as usual.

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I read that last night
by JP Bill May 25, 2007 5:21AM PDT

There you go doing what you do best, Assuming facts not in evidence.

The lock is for preventing further responses, Not invented just for one moderator, not used by just one moderator.

You don't know who locked threads, even when told who locked a thread and a person says they locked a thread, that is argued.


You've read posts by Lee Koo saying the moderators have the power, He doesn't want to hear about it.

I know you know how to obey an order.

Suck it up buttercup.

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Yes, I was pretty confident you had read it...
by Edward ODaniel May 25, 2007 6:10AM PDT

and thus my last paragraph.

Is your nose out of joint?

RE: your last line - We aren't all (or even most of us) like you and don't have the "training".

Don't waste your time responding as you won't get any joy out of doing so. Your input here is neither desired, nor important, nor accurate let alone worthwhile.

If you want to continue to "play" you are going to have to play with yourself JP.

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