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We need a Federal shield law, desperately.

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No we don't, we need less liberal idiots and more actual JOURNALISTS.

Taricani's source came out and stated very plainly that there was no agreement of confidentiality as Taricani had claimed and such a claim amounts to perjury.

There is not and never should be any absolute right of confidentiality for the press and the Bill of rights doesn't even come close to suggesting such was intended.

While a reporter has a right to a "story" everyone else has a right to avoid being included in the "story" and far too often the stories with unnamed "confidential sources" are detrimental to the well being of innocent people.

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Bill of Rights and freedom of the press

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Hi, Ed.

From Findlaw: >> Madison's version of the speech and press clauses, introduced in the House of Representatives on June 8, 1789, provided: "The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable." <<

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Meaning:

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Individuals shall not be imprisoned for their expression of opinion, belief, or facts, except in cases where such expression does harm to others (in the case of yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre). None of the cases in the article even apply to this.

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WRONG, DR.

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Your comments are related to the parts of the First Amendment related to individuals, not to the press. And you completely ignored the Madison quote...

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Ummm...NO...being a member of the press...

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does not grant someone special exemption from established law. They want to violate a court order...fine, but they must take the responsibility for that decision. They are protected from imprisonment for what they write, which is the same liberty individuals receive, but they do not, under the Bill of Rights, receive any sort of protection concerning revealing sources.

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But this freedom of the press...

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doesn't and never has trumped justice nor allowed members of the press to determine which laws they will abide by and which they will shrug off.

Aiding in the hindrance of an investigation is not a covered freedom, but an unlawful act.

Even the right of a spouse to not be compelled to testify is not absolute Dave.

This is especially so in this case as the actual SOURCE has made very plain that no confidentiality was demanded and the reporters claims of such are fabricated.

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Shield laws

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There is nothing in the Constitution about privilege between clergy and people or doctors and patients or lawyers and clients, but they are the law.

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Diana, those go back to...

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English Common Law upon which our own is based and there waqs no such provision in British Common Law for reporters.

The Bill of Rights was to spell out rights of the people contrary to British Common Law.

Having said that, even with priviledged communication between clergy, doctors, or lawyers and their clients the priviledge is most definitely NOT total nor absolute. Diane H. or DavE or Dr. Bill could go into detail on certain limitations, but suffice it to say that if silence results in a criminal act there is punishable culpability.

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Theres a difference...

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between protecting a legitimate "confidential source" and aiding & abbeting a criminal or fugitive from the law, even suspected of a crime by probable cause.

Compromising the names or likeness of the undercover FBI agent and CIA officer including associates placed their lives (or well being) as well as any operations ongoing, past, and perhaps future in joepardy. It is liken to yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater although consequences of compromising these officers can actually be much greater.

Is an American who will not protect his/her Country and fellow Citizens truely American?

BTW, why should naturalized citizens be required to "support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and the rest of us do not? Any thoughts?

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It all depends

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How do you define enemy? It can be a vague and shifting term.

Dan

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(NT) (NT) HIPPIES!!!! Evil, beady eyed HIPPIES!!!

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Ha ha ha, dirtyrich. Bugga Bugga!

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Anti-Hippie Action League

"The Anti-Hippie Action League was founded in 1995 with the express purpose of wiping longhairs off the face of the planet, by whatever means deemed appropriate. Society has for far too long neglected to stem the growth of hippie-culture and has thus remained ignorant of the degenerative effects. Common stereo-types of hippies being smelly, stoned, lazy and ugly looking prove consistantly true, but it is not enough to dissuade new youths from joining in. It is our mission to put an end to this societal plague before we all end up with ratty dreadlocks."
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The Oath just specifies "all" enemies. I assume...

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enemies of a combatant nature. What is your take on it?

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My take

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It's a vague and shifting term that conveys a shadow of a meaning rather than a true meaning. It could me used to catagorize almost anyone as an 'enemy'.

Dan

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Questions about when and where to draw the line...

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Which is why a shield law is sorely needed.

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A majority of states now have them, Dragon. Of course, most that don't are 'red..."

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