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And your point is?
Nov 5, 2018 3:39AM PST

I'm going to take a wild stab based on your subject line that you blame Trump for this even though the short article you linked shows that this was happening under BO's reign.

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RE:based on your subject line
Nov 5, 2018 3:56AM PST

Go to the front of the class TONI....YOU nailed it!!!!

That's who I thought of also...Great minds think alike.

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Trump said "tariff wars are easy to win".
Nov 5, 2018 4:42AM PST

Back then I pointed out that he may be the only one of us 8 billion who thinks so.
History tells us that often there are no winners; both countries damaged.
Some individual industries never recover; that may be happening with American soy.
I don't remember anyone named Obama. Sorry.
The proximate cause here is the tariff imposed on American soy by the current administration, to 'punish China'. Soy leaves a US port at, say 50¢ a pound, a price based on supply/demand and utility. Tariffs mean China has to pay, say a dollar a pound. They refuse to do so; the beans remain unloaded. [An example; they never left Houston.]
China needs soy, so it buys from Brazil. Supply/demand; Brazilians set fire to their country to meet the demand.
This link is to an ecology article. I cited an earlier general news article which pointed out that about the only part of the Brazilian system that's functioning at all normally is its Ag - mainly because of soy.
And, AFAIK the ingrates haven't had the common human decency to thank their orange benefactor! Get on that, will ya, Toni?

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What in HELL are you babbling about AGAIN?
Nov 5, 2018 8:02AM PST

Your OWN link shows that the burning was being done during the BO administration...it had NOTHING to do with Trump. BRAZIL is the one destroying their ecology and it had NOTHING to do with tariffs that didn't even EXIST that involve Brazil at that time. So HOW are you blaming Trump for this? Brazil isn't part of the EU so any trade pacts they made before Trump with China or anyone else was their own decision to make and if they want to destroy their ecology in the process, it's their business to do so. It would have happened no matter WHO became president in 2016, and it STILL would have had the same effect on soy farmers here in the USA.

Now...answer these questions: WHAT class do you think I represent and WHAT classes do you think I hate?

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MUST i ANSWER your QUESTIONS???
Nov 5, 2018 9:01AM PST

nope, I'LL opt OUT.
the ANSWER i GAVE you WAS enough.
Mt 6:9,10.

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I noticed you didn't dispute ANYTHING
Nov 6, 2018 2:39AM PST

I posted regarding your babble crap about Brazil.....when you can't defend your statements, you ignore it when challenged.

Your Mt 6:9,10 isn't good enough....IF you believe THAT is your answer and it's 'enough' then use your fingers or copy/paste abilities and POST that/those passages in full so the whole internet world can see those words PUBLICLY. Do you dare to defend your slanderous/libelous statement of me with it?

Now...answer these questions: WHAT class do you think I represent and WHAT classes do you think I hate?

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I've quoted that and other apposite scriptures
Nov 7, 2018 4:50PM PST

in the past. I've also encouraged you and others to read them for yourselves, since they have ideas you won't find on Breitbart or Geller. [Which I read, before replying to those links. A tactic you could emulate.]
Several times in the past you have flatly refused to read links I've posted; now you demand answers from those links.
You're an apt student of your Orange Master.

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Do you command me, then, to
Nov 7, 2018 5:08PM PST

"use [my] fingers or copy/paste abilities and POST that/those passages in full so the whole internet world can see those words PUBLICLY"?
That's hardly necessary. The passages are from the world's most widely distributed book. I've even posted it, to more receptive ones here, in Dutch and Welsh. True, it has often been banned from being read, on pain of death, but for the time being that's not generally the case. For the time being. [In Russia it's officially "extremist literature".]
What is YOUR point?

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You keep dancing around your refusal
Nov 8, 2018 3:37AM PST

to publicly copy/paste the passage you used to slander me publicly...you claim that using numbers is good enough because the 'source' is a widely distribute book that is readily available to all to find. Why should it be MY responsibility to prove your slander or anyone ELSE's responsibility other than you are using your numbers as a 'carrot/stick' to tempt someone interested in finding out HOW you slandered me when YOU have that passage literally at your fingertips and could copy/paste that passage to defend your slander? I'm not asking for a link to it....BUT I'll compromise with you and allow you to get away with that and post a link instead. I will NOT allow you to get away with the not so veiled slander that you posted about me. You did that in a public forum....now back it up publicly as well. I don't believe you have the courage of your convictions to do it though. IF you really believe what you said about me, then you should have the courage to defend that belief instead of hiding like the coward I believe you are by throwing out crap because you are faceless on the internet and not accountable for anything you say. And you wonder why I slam my door in your face (figuratively) when you appear on my porch....my personal experience BEFORE you and now my experience WITH you prove my point about how opinionated and self-righteous and mean to people who don't believe the way you do JW's are...and you believe you are justified with your own form of hatred. Put up or shut up, drp…..if you dare to defend your slander.


WHAT class do you think I represent and WHAT class do you think I hate?

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Where's the slander?
Nov 8, 2018 3:22PM PST

Besides here: "regarding your babble crap"
And here: "instead of hiding like the coward I believe you are by throwing out crap"

"You keep dancing around your refusal to publicly copy/paste the passage you used to slander me publicly"
Not dancing around anything. Your comments seem to refer to my citing of Mt 6:9,10, instead of copying it out. I don't understand why it's slander [if that's what you meant], or why you should insist on having it written out just for you. It's common for educated people to look up the cites, read, ponder, apply and comment. That's what we do when studying among ourselves.

Maybe there was another passage of mine that you took as slander. If so, what was it? Slander is actionable; even stronger is libel, slander in writing, so to speak. The Mods have already spoken to me about us, and said there was no objection to what I wrote. Your eye is keener than theirs; help them out.

Based on your own comments here, you know little or nothing about us, the Bible or independent research. If you're interested in changing that, start at jw.org, where you'll find all of Matthew. But, since you've refused many times to do that, your ignorance will remain.

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Your slander/libel was your statement
Nov 9, 2018 2:31AM PST

"We all know (or it might have been "We all are aware of") what class Toni represents and what class she hates".....

I've asked you repeatedly to explain/justify that statement and you came back with Mt 6:9,10 which had no text presented to go along with it and said flatly that that was ALL you were going to give me. Since I believe the FIRST statement WAS slanderous/libelous towards me, I want an answer to it and not just a few letters and numbers. And NO, it is NOT my responsibility to justify your hate...it's YOURS...and you are too cowardly to actually put it up in print. I don't care that the MODS don't see your hate towards me....I want you to PROVE to me that you DIDN'T slander/libel me and you won't. Until you do, I will keep demanding....

WHAT class do you think I represent and WHAT class do you think I hate?

Oh, and while you are out there preaching your good word, do you also tell people that the State of Montana sued JW for $34M for covering up sexual abuse by members throughout the USA, Canada, et al? Looks like you and the Catholic Church have more in common than you let on.

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(NT) Keep demanding, then.
Nov 9, 2018 2:22PM PST
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I do owe you a reply to your quote BTW.
Nov 9, 2018 3:20PM PST

I see no slander in it, nor did the Mods.
I do wonder how a person whose comments are so full of hatred can object to having that hatred commented on.
IOW your hatred is for just about anyone who disagrees with you.
Others have noticed that, too.
BTW the truth is an adequate defense against libel, or slander.
Lighten up.

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To all in this thread.
Nov 9, 2018 4:13PM PST

This is not aimed at anyone, but we Mods monitor these forums according to forum policies. We don't take sides or favour one over another.
If forum policies are broken, Appropriate action will be used. Given that in SE you are all given quite some leeway, you should all enjoy it and respect each other.
Having said that, happy scrapping. Wink
Dafydd

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Disdain not hatred
Nov 10, 2018 2:37AM PST

Until the Dems/liberals and their tactics show me reasons NOT to have disdain for them, I will continue to voice my outrage for it.....so far, far years, I've seen nothing but corruption, lies, deceit, and outright attempts to destroy everything America has represented coming out of them. They have no respect for anyone who doesn't agree with their destructive agendas and they stop at nothing, including intimidation and threats and riots, to further it. They have deliberately put people into specific boxes and try to keep them there in any way they can. And they are only interested in keeping power within their grasp and will do whatever it takes to maintain that status quo.


The very fact that YOU see no slander/libel in stating publicly that you believe I represent a certain class and hate other classes and yet won't define WHAT classes you are talking about shows how afraid of me and others like me you are. And that is typical of liberals today....when you can't debate something honestly or someone challenges you, you resort to insults and derogatory remarks and then believe the discussion is over with. I don't fit into that box you are attempting to put me in, drp…..

It's actually YOUR hatred that shows clearly....not MINE. I just call you on your crap and you can't deal with it.

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Beans
Nov 5, 2018 10:06AM PST
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RE:Why should China get to buy beans that are shipped overse
Nov 5, 2018 12:11PM PST
Why should China get to buy beans that are shipped overseas to them for cheaper than we pay here in the states for them?

Because THEY eat/use WAY MORE BEANS than The USA does.....

THEY buy a larger volume so THEY get a discount.

BIGGER market...BIGGER discount....

The Chinese yen is worth less than the greenback...so that makes soybeans cheaper?

Just produce enough for the American market?

That'll show 'em...of course some AMERICAN farmers might object.

PS..Half of all pigs in the world are in China, and a huge fraction of the soy bean is used for pig feed. Soy bean was discovered by animal nutritionists that 1 part soy bean meal with 4 parts grain, will sharply increase the efficiency with which livestocks and poultry - including the pigs - convert the grain eaten, into animal protein (aka meat).

The growing population with the growing wealth and affluence also means that Chinese are eating more meat than ever before in its 5000 years of bloody but glorious history. And they love to eat pork!


NO cooking involved....in feeding soyBEANS to pigs.

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LOL, surely....
Nov 5, 2018 4:29PM PST

....you didn't type that with a straight face on, considering all the "beaners" to use an old term, we have here in the USA from south america countries already. Mexican food, burritos especially are all over the USA. Ever hear of Taco Bell? I doubt the Chinese eat more beans than us, unless you restrict it to **** beans.

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RE:I doubt the Chinese eat more beans than us
Nov 5, 2018 5:58PM PST

I doubt they produce more gas than Americans.... (typed it with a straight face)

considering all the "beaners" to use an old term, we have here in the USA from south america countries already

Old term? Would they be "has beaners"? (also typed with a straight face)

In case it went over your head I'll 'splane

hasbeen ....a person or thing considered to be outmoded or no longer of any significance.
"a political has-been"

There are 1.4 BILLION Chinese and 330 million Americans, 4 times as many of them as there are "beaners" and THEY pay way less for THEIR beans.

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they also "way less" too.
Nov 6, 2018 1:31AM PST

weigh

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In principle, "beaners" s/b ******* here,
Nov 7, 2018 4:57PM PST

since it's widely considered a racial/ethnic/cultural slur.
When the machines of loving grace fail to watch over us, we could opt to watch ourselves. Or not.

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what do you find
Nov 7, 2018 5:05PM PST

in burritos, enchiladas, refritos, or would you prefer "frijoles" used instead?

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More deflection.
Nov 7, 2018 5:19PM PST

I find beans, not *******.

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Found this, from near your other link.
Nov 7, 2018 10:54PM PST
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these type of beans
Nov 7, 2018 5:02PM PST
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RE:It's not Trump who is unreasonable,
Nov 5, 2018 1:36PM PST
It's not Trump who is unreasonable, but you and the Chinese.


unreasonable?...

TheRUMP isn't being "unreasonable"?

When do you think the last time HE cooked a pot of beans?

The consumer being "unreasonable"?

Because THEY want "convenience"?

Chinese don't mind cooking their own beans, Americans do mind cooking their own beans...so they pay more of the convenience.


Trump can't even close an umbrella. Link provided upon request.

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Well...
Nov 5, 2018 4:16PM PST
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Maybe he didn't cook beans
Nov 6, 2018 3:49AM PST

But he probably spilled them

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REBut he probably spilled them
Nov 6, 2018 4:26AM PST

and he is stirring the pot....

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So am I !
Nov 6, 2018 2:21PM PST
Mischief Mischief Devil