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DVD-R vs DVD-RW vs DVD+R - which one???

Jan 3, 2006 5:07AM PST

I plan to burn some home video footage onto DVD using my PC to edit. What type of DVD should I be burning onto in order to be able to view the edited version on a DVD linked up to my TV?
Is there an answer to this or is it a case of trial and error to find out which one will work?
Thanks for any advice.

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Good brands don't ware out.
Jan 12, 2006 7:36AM PST

I've been using the same DVD+RW disks for backing up my hard drives for almost two years now without a problem. Yes, late last year Nero InCD had trouble reformatting them, but when I upgraded to Nero 7 InCD worked fine. The DVD+RW format is designed to be rewritten to, that is what the RW stands for.

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RW is often best for raw home video
Jan 18, 2006 12:27AM PST

If you plan to use any editing software, RW is a cheaper way to get the first generation into editable format on your PC. Many of us don't want hour after hour of boring unedited video to drag our family or friends through.

So, I record my Hi-8/VHS/etc. tape onto RW, take it to the PC, edit with any of myriad software (Ebay has *awesome* prices on prior generations of all the popular video editors like Pinnacle Studio and Cyberlink PowerDirector --think $10 or so!) and then burn onto a final output DVD in either -R or +R depending on where it's going.

RW works best for this since you can reuse this disk. My experience is I can get RW almost anytime I want for about 3 times the cost of single use +R/-R, so if you think you might re-use it more than 3 times, go with RW!

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That seems very cumbersome not to mention a loss of quality.
Jan 18, 2006 6:42AM PST

Why don't you directly capture it in a relatively uncompressed format, like AVI, on your computer's hard drive? Then you can edit it as desired, and burn it when you are finished. You are going through an unnecessary extra step, and you are probably losing quality by compressing what's going to the RW disk.

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Info. I found regarding DVD+/-
Jan 5, 2006 9:47PM PST

Here's a quote I found on HP's website (wish I bookmarked the page when I found it)

"An independent study done by Intellikey found the DVD+R / DVD+RW format to be more compatible with consumer DVD players than the DVD-R / DVD-RW format."

I had the same question because our company training videos need to be as universal as possible.

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That could have something to do with HP being in the +DVD
Jan 6, 2006 2:18AM PST

camp. Everything I've read from independent sources says that -DVD is the more universally playable format.

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+ vs - format
Jan 6, 2006 12:10PM PST

Your statement applies if everyone has a new player.
-R will work in more player both old and New

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DVD+R was originally, appears DVD-R is now
Jan 18, 2006 6:22AM PST

From www.videohelp.com, who has -R/+R compatibility ratings on 4013 DVD players (!), -R seems to hold the current edge:

90% were compatible with +R
but
94% were compatible with -R

The good news is that over 80% of all DVD players play both and actually many of these DVD players would be aging units now, many out of production, so likely the players in production could be assumed to be more compatible with both formats slightly!

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-R formats have always been more widely supported.
Jan 18, 2006 6:43AM PST

This is not a recent change.

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THIS SHOULD HELP
Jan 5, 2006 9:55PM PST

I was wondering the very same thing about 8 months ago when buying a new computer. In short, DVD+R has better compatibility because you can change the Booktype field (this is the part of the disk that tells the player "hey, I am a cd-r, or DVD-r, or better yet, a DVD-Rom) from DVD+R to DVD-ROM, however this cannot be changed with a DVD-R. But there is some caveat, not all dvd burners are able to change the book type field! Or some can, but not with the original firmware (the software for the burner that tells the burner how to operate) so you will need to find some hacked firmware. I finally opted for the NEC 3500 and then found a hacked firmware.
Now, if you are not up to this, the DVD-R has probably the best compatibility without making any changes.

this web site helped me: http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/150

Hope this helped!

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Buy +R if your DVD burner can booktype to DVD-ROM
Jan 5, 2006 10:01PM PST

The reason is, is that DVD-ROM can be played on all standalone players. So if you happen to go play the DVD on your relatives player, it will play.

Of course, you will need to find out if your burner can booktype to DVD-ROM.

BTW, +R are the only type media that can be booktyped, that's why I recommend them over -R.

I have a Benq-1640 burner which automactically booktypes to DVD-ROM.

Good luck

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Booktype? Please explain
Jan 6, 2006 4:44AM PST

I have a one year old NEC DVD burner. It will not recognize the DVD-R format. I have 50 new Imation blank DVD-Rs that I can't use. The DVD+R video works fine on my DVD player which is a Panasoic.

Please explain Booktype?

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Many burners only support one format. Players are a
Jan 6, 2006 12:38PM PST

different matter. Newer players can use either format. Older players are most likely to work with -R if they do not support both types.

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booktype explained
Jan 7, 2006 6:37PM PST

i explained it a little already in my response with subject "this should help". anyways, this link should clear it up for you.
http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/150
have a good one.

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dvd-rw isn't used
Jan 5, 2006 10:47PM PST

dvd-rw isn't used. For one they're expensive and the dvd-rw itself is expensive too. Once you've got the dvd burnt what good will it do to take it off ... thats a lot of work to just be erasing off the disk. however in the case of dvd-r and dvd+r i wouldn't know. i'd probably stick with dvd-r

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Not expensive really if you do re-use them
Jan 12, 2006 4:03AM PST

problem is many don't actually end up reusing them. Today many retailers run +R and -R for 30 cents apiece in 100 qty. That's cheap enough that a) why not have it available long term? and b) why pay the "cost" of waiting to erase and potentially worry about lower reliability of an RW through scratches, etc. over time.

However, I you have a case where you truly would go through a lot of recordings and don't see 30 cents worth of value in them being available long term, then by all means use RW.

An example would be is you truly use your DVD recorder as a VCR for simply time-shifting your recordings. Maybe you don't care to see that next episode of Desparate Housewives more than once!

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Which type of DVD recordable media to use
Jan 5, 2006 11:10PM PST

Although you may want to use "RW" (eraseable) media for a test burn to avoid possibly ruining one-time media, your final burn should be on one-time media. RW media has poor long-term stability, and if you use it, the data may "fade" over time, and you may find that at sometime in the future (perhaps years from now) you can't read it. So that eliminates both +RW and -RW media for the final burn.

As to + vs -, there is no single answer; some set-top DVD players can read + only, some can read - only, and some (most, fortunately) can read both. So it's best to know the characteristics of the players with which you will want to read the DVD. However, other things being equal and with no other knowledge of the situation, I have found "-" media to be generally very slightly more compatible than "+" media, and also a bit cheaper and more reliable.

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One real choice
Jan 5, 2006 11:33PM PST

I would absolutely reccomend you go DVD-R. After trials and tribulations awhile ago backing up some VHS tapes, I found that DVD-R will work on almost any player where as DVD+R may not. DVD-RW is a fine way also if your gonna edit or change it alot. One caveat is a good burner and media is paramount. In my experience TDK has been the best on both fronts. Also, Ritek makes some of the best and least expensive media, especially in bulk packs. You'll get few if any hockey pucks using these materials.

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I seem to have no problem with DVD+R
Jan 6, 2006 1:40AM PST

Just finished handing out about 50 Dvds to co-workers, with this years Christmas Party Slideshow made with Sony's Click to DVD.....Came out wonderfully, and I used DVD+R discs to replicate the slide show.....every disc burned perfectly, and there were none that didn't play in co-workers home DVD players.....DVD+R seem to burn faster than DVD-R.
I've used both but DVD+R seems to be more consistently error free.

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DVD-R is the oldest standard
Jan 6, 2006 5:20AM PST

DVD-R is the oldest standard. However, DVD+R is making a solid stand. At present about 92% of all stand-a-lone DVD players can play DVD-R without any troubles. About 88% can play DVD+R disc.

When I was producing professional how-to videos, I always used DVD-R disc for mass distribution. About 99% of the DVD drives in computers today can read both DVD+R and DVD-R disc.

If you are using the computer to produce your DVD disc, may I suggest "MyDVD" by Sonic. It makes great home movies (and even commercial how-to vids) from your MPEG-2 files.

When I produced a training video for my First Responders (Police & Fire) here in Texas, I used DVD-R for maximum compatibility.

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Check the guide to your DVD player
Jan 6, 2006 5:49AM PST

My LiteOn DVD recorder came with 2 pamphlets that indicated with which brands of which medium it was most compatible. One pamphlet was for CDs and the other DVDs. There were 4 sections in that DVD pamphlet: DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW. The largest section was that of the DVD+R. There were 47 different discs, although some were from the same brand, but there were distinctions between the speeds at which the discs could be recorded, e.g. Nanya DVD+R NANYA CLX 8.0x and NANYA DVD+R NAN YA ALX 16.0x. Further, there were more discs for DVD+RW than for DVD-RW (14 to 6, respectively).

Maybe there was just bias on LiteOn's part, choosing to be more compatible to DVD+R/RW than to DVD-R/RW. Then again, the DVD-R section had 36 discs (36 divided by 47 = 77% comparison). Then again, that's just one DVD recorder from one brand.

In terms of having discs not being able to be burnt, I always (along with an entire online forum of DVD writers) burn at 4.0X. Doesn't take that much longer, and takes away from the whole DVD+R versus DVD-R. Consider that argument abolished. I've burnt both at 4.0x and they're all fine.

Your issue is summed up in looking into the packaging that came with your DVD player. If there is no comparable pamphlet, check the company's website for further support. Other than that, I've said all I can.

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Depends on player
Jan 6, 2006 1:09PM PST

I think it depends on the player you'll be using as there doesn't seem to be a standard. The link below can tell you which your player will play. I was wondering since your using your computer what software your using to burn you disks? I'm in the process of conversion of vcrs as well and using Intervideo creator. It's so so, has some problem but fairly easy interface.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers

Good luck CTB

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Try This Link...
Jan 6, 2006 2:16PM PST
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Reply to DVD-R vs DVD-RW vs DVD+R - which one???
Jan 6, 2006 11:07PM PST

I suggest a good quality DVD-R....most compatible media for many DVD players out there.

DVD-RW?...Why?..do you want to erase and rewrite....many of these are slow. Tedious IMO.

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Don't forget media code
Jan 10, 2006 11:19AM PST

In terms of compatability:

1) DVD+R booktyped to DVD-ROM
2) DVD-R
3) DVD+R

Only select burners can booktype a DVD+R blank disk to DVD-ROM, these are BenQ, NEC to name a few.

Also, as with burners, only a few companies actually make DVD blank media. Usually a program such as DVD Info Pro, or NERO will give you this information. If you go to CDfreaks.com you can read thousands of post concerning disk quality and disk durability. The general consensus is that Taiyo Yuden (Made in Japan) is the best, followed by Verbatum. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=146146

Taiyo Yuden is typically rebadged as TDK, Sony, Fuji to name a few. These companies also rebadge media made by other companies, so the only sure way of getting the right media is to check for the Made in Japan label.

Verbatum is easier to purchase, the quality might not be as good as Taiyo Yuden, but some argue that it degrades less with time.

The key lesson here is that you cannot just go out and buy Memorex, Maxwell, Sony etc. Each of these companies just repackages media made by other companies (mostly made in Taiwan, India etc). This results in having mixed results with each spindle you buy. Some companies such as Ritek used to make excellent blank media, however in the last few years based on what I've read the quality has gone down significantly.

If you really are interested, suggest you go to cdfreaks.com for more info.

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Thanks for info
Jan 12, 2006 8:53AM PST

Your post was very informative. I had been doing exactly that: buying just what I thought was a good brank--including Memorex, TDK, etc. Thanks for posting.

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use eraseable for timeshifting
Jan 12, 2006 4:16AM PST

You likely don't care to watch next week's episode of Desparate Housewives more than once (with apologies to those out there that do want to...).

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Everyone's missing the REAL POINTS
Jan 12, 2006 4:14AM PST

If this is to ensure long term ability to hang on to precious family memories, then do this: burn on BOTH formats, and keep both (perhaps store one where a fire won't get both). One will be the backup to the other and at 30 cents a disk is cheap assurance that you can read the material long term.

From the DVD player compatibility perspective you really need to also burn both as Test Disks to use for yours and anyone you might possibly want to send disks to: From testing I know that I can play both on my current DVD player, but I have to send -R to one brother and +R to another brother... that's the real bottom line.

You might even need to revisit this issue with a new package of DVD's from another manufacturer if you experience issues playing them. DVD's that record at different speeds (2X, 4X, etc.) use different light sensitive chemical compounds and each manufacturer uses their own formula. This may mean that DVD's from two different manufacturers, or even of two different recording speeds, even though both might be -R format, may not read reliably in your or anyone else's DVD player. Though this is not the problem it once was, it still exists.

Testing is the only way to be sure and having duplicates of important non-replaceable content is the only way to go.

Consider even giving other family members copies of your most precious content. Everyone in my family has a copy of the master DVD that has all the old family slides. That way it would take nuclear holocaust covering several states to destroy this family heirloom!

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Reading all the discussions about which one to to buy???
Jan 13, 2006 11:29PM PST

Reading this: http://tinyurl.com/d97sq

tells me to hold off buying a DVD RECORDER.

Can I buy a DVR PLAYER, plug it into my VCR, copy it?

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Sure if it's not copy protected. I don't know why you would.
Jan 13, 2006 11:39PM PST

Quality would drop substantially, and the life of the media would not improve.

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I'd get a DVD recorder...
Jan 13, 2006 11:49PM PST

While they make a valid point, BlueRay and HD-DVD are still too far out for serious consideration. The players are not expected until the second half of this year, and recorders are more than a year away. Thus, timewise, you may not want to wait. In addition, the cost of the recorders will be rediculus for the first year or so. I read the other day that a burner for your computer would probably range around $300, compared to the $80 for the average DVD burner today. DVD recorders normally go for $250+, so expect to find BlueRay/HD-DVD recorders to start off with a 'low' price of $500 or better. Finally, the storage would be good for backing up your computer (take just two or three disks for the entire hard drive), but unless you have an HDTV and HDTV service, you wouldn't need that amount of space for recording TV shows and movies.

Personally, I'm going to hold off getting a burner for my computer until the price reaches a reasonable level and blank media becomes widely available. As to the recorders, I have no need until I go HDTV, whch will be a few years off yet. (I'm satisfied with the quality I have now.)

As to using your VCR, I'm assuming you mean copy a DVD to VHS. Aside from wondering why you'd want to go from digital to analog, there wouldn't be a problem unless the DVD is copy protected, in which case you cannot duplicate it, period. (Legally speaking, that is.)

Hope this helps,
John