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Dvd drive not booting

by Ray_moe / August 31, 2010 12:25 PM PDT

I have two optical drives
The cd-rom will boot a linux cd-rw
The dvd_+rw will not boot the linux dvd

I burn't the dvd using cdburnerxp and have nine files on the dvd-rw and or dvd+r

I can burn cd-rw and it will boot so I have a good iso burn't at a low speed

In my bios boot sequence I only have usb or cd drive and it is in the first position

I can play movies using vlc from the dvd drive

What am I missing on the dvd that it will not boot the linux distro

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RE: Dvd drive not booting
by dharris79 / August 31, 2010 12:53 PM PDT
In reply to: Dvd drive not booting

Does the DVD drive support the DVD format? Some DVD drives have issues with not playing -r or +r, usually one and not the other. Has the DVD drive successfully booted from other discs?

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I've seen this.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 31, 2010 2:49 PM PDT
In reply to: Dvd drive not booting

I've seen older drives and machines with an older bios (both are leading causes) not boot from bootable DVDs. The cures are either a new drive or asking the machine's maker for a BIOS that boots from DVD.

Be sure you've seen the DVD boot on other machines.

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RE: I've seen this
by dharris79 / August 31, 2010 4:22 PM PDT
In reply to: I've seen this.

In a case such as this I would suggest the drive's firmware be updated fully.

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by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 31, 2010 8:04 PM PDT
In reply to: RE: I've seen this

It fixed one out of hundreds of drives and since most will not be able to do this, please help them with the procedure.

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by Ray_moe / September 1, 2010 7:43 AM PDT
In reply to: BTDT

Dell list the following driver

GWA-4164B HH 16x DVD+/- RW optional 7/19/2006 version E113,A04

In the system information components both drives are listed as cd-rom
but the parts numbers are different refecting the dvd drive.

The pnp device id is E111

The drivers for both drives are identical numbers

C:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys [5.12600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2108) 61.50 KB

Should I try downloading the firmware from Dell

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RE: HLDS-Firmware
by dharris79 / September 1, 2010 10:21 AM PDT
In reply to: HLDS-Firmware

If you are sure that firmware is compatible with your drive, then I suggest installing the firmware. Installing the incorrect firmware can cause damage to the drive.

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RE: Dvd drive not booting
by dharris79 / September 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT
In reply to: Dvd drive not booting

Also, are you certain there is nothing wrong with the disc? Has it been successfully booted from on another system? Does the drive otherwise function as normal? What is the drive manufacturer? What is the system make and model?

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System info
by Ray_moe / September 1, 2010 12:04 PM PDT

Dell XPS 600 Pentium D Processor 930 3.0 ghz
2 gb ram
250 gb hard drive
80 gb hard drive
Windows Xp SP 3
Ubuntu lucid

Dvd HL-DT-ST gwa 4164B HH 16X dvd x +/- RW
Cd rom TSST corp cd-rw TS-H292C

I used service tag to find firmware info

At this time I do not have access to another computer to try booting Dvd disc

Dvd plays movies without any problems using VLC player.

Also found complaints about this particular Dvd drive on Dell website.

Wanting Dvd disc with Puppy Linux to save/remaster on larger disc

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RE: System info
by dharris79 / September 1, 2010 3:30 PM PDT
In reply to: System info

I would suggest the firmware update. Also I would suggest finding the latest firmware for the motherboard. It's very questionable if this DVD will even boot at all. It's a possibility that it's for some reason not a bootable DVD and there is absolutely nothing wrong with your DVD drive in the first place. Do we have another bootable DVD to try and boot to available? I'd like to rule out the non-bootable disc scenario somehow.

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The dvd_+rw will not boot the linux dvd
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / September 1, 2010 9:03 PM PDT
In reply to: Dvd drive not booting

Sorry I missed that. I find that RW MEDIA is less likely to boot.

Make a normal DVD+R and DVD-R boot media, test it on other machines and then yours but it is time to move to media that is more likely to boot.

DVD+R and DVD-R. I carry both because I found some machines like one or the other.

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Dell suggestion
by Ray_moe / September 2, 2010 5:50 AM PDT

Dell support on their website suggest changing dvd and cd drives to reflect dvd as master and cd as slave.

They also suggest to change dvd to the number one position on the ide cable.

Are either of these suggestion worth a grain of salt.

Will the cdrom still work if put in the second position on the ide cable

Have dvd-r and dvd+r burned with cdburnerxp both contain the same files as cdrom

Neither will boot from the drive

As of this posting I do not have access to another computer with a dvd drive.

My other computer a 2000 dell dimension only has a cdrom.

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RE: Dell suggestion
by dharris79 / September 2, 2010 6:15 AM PDT
In reply to: Dell suggestion

If you feel comfortable enough to make changes to the physical components on your computer, then I would suggest trying the IDE cable change. Check the drive for corresponding jumpers as well, and make sure those settings reflect the drive relationship you want, or set them to "Cable Select".

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The one thing I see missing.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / September 2, 2010 6:45 AM PDT
In reply to: Dell suggestion

Is if these boot on other machines. I've seen folk lose a lot of time over that.

Also I find CDBURNERXP to not be a great choice when putting an ISO image to media. Try IMGBURN since it will know what to do.

GOOD IDEA about moving the DVD to the master setting. If this is a DELL then most of them only need you to move the cable ends around. The master is at the end and the slave is on the middle connection. You'll have to check if your DELL does it that way.


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Imgburn results
by Ray_moe / September 2, 2010 11:49 AM PDT

Down loaded and installed E113 firmware Imgburn showing new firmware

Burn't a cd-rw and verified there were no errors and disc booted

Burn't a dvd-rw and verified there were 16 errors

Miscompare at LBA:2861,offset:1431,file Lupu-510.sfs:device0x73:image file:0x33

All had different device and image file numbers

Burn was iso9660 at 2x

Dvd will still not boot

Before I move and open this heavy case and change the position of the drives

What are the chances my dvd drive is bad

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Burn't a dvd-rw and verified there were 16 errors
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / September 2, 2010 6:25 PM PDT
In reply to: Imgburn results

I see two problems here. I noted that DVD-RW was not a good choice for bootable media. You ignored that.

As there were errors, it's possible the errors matter. It's a shame you lost time on this one. Sorry I was not clear that booting DVD-RW is harder for machines than DVD+R or DVD-R (I have both at the ready when I do this.)

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Reference Post
by Ray_moe / September 3, 2010 1:24 AM PDT

As I noted in post 12

I burned to dvd-r and dvd+r and neither disc will boot. I did not ignore your post. The only things I have not tried that you suggest is use another computer

I have burn't enough disc of different types to layer my desktop

When I insert a dvd disc and start or reboot grub selects windows XP rather than booting puppy linux

Yet the same procedure with cd-rw boots Puppy Linux

What does the miscompare errors when verify of dvd indicate

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by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / September 3, 2010 3:00 AM PDT
In reply to: Reference Post

But the post I replied to noted dvdrw. If that's a typo, I can't know that.

The errors are just that. A bad sign.

I'll have to wait and see if you can move the DVDRW drive to the master position, test the boot DVD on another machine and what else was noted above.

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