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From the site of the Dutch meteorologic institute: http://www.knmi.nl/VinkCMS/news_detail.jsp?id=44754

"In De Bilt, the daily average temperature in 2008 was 10.6 degrees (Celsius) compared to 9.8 degrees (the long-term average for 1971-2000). This past year was less warm than the previous years: both 2006 and 2007 with 11.2 degrees were by far the hottest across the measurements of more than three centuries. The ten warmest years were all after 1988 and are now already five years from the 21st century in the top ten. The year 1996 was the only colder one during the last two decades. The winter that year was also the last winter with an average temperature of just below freezing."

The questions remaining:
- Does this has any bearing on the long-time trend? Will the cooling (from 2007 to 2008) continue? Or will it be reversed in 2009? We'll see in a year!
- This are local data. What are the global data? After all, the earth is bigger than just the Netherlands.


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The more gas costs

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the less people drive. The less people drive the less C02 is produced and the lower the temperatures become. Let's see what happens now that the cost of crude oil is lower.

(At this writing crude oil is below $40.00(US) a barrel.)

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Way too short a sampling period to make any

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conjectures. Even a human life time is just a blip in time considering some of the cycles the earth has been and continues to go through. So, this year, my area has had 5 more inches of rain than the 30 year average. So what?

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There are long tern global results Googleable

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(if that really is a word), which one can find on Google. The results come from ice cores from glaciers in Greenland and the Antarctic. They are generally interpreted as supporting global warming but there is much controversy particularly here at SE over the results.

There were points during the last 100,000 years of the last ice age which were annually warmer than today's global temperatures, because the Ice Age was actually a number of related surges and withdrawals of icesheets. This is the reason that Wooly Mammoths have been found as far north as they have, and that the last survivors of the species, a sort of pygmy Wooly Mammoth survived on Wrangel Island north of the Russian mainland above Siberia, lived until about 4,000 years ago. Mammoths required grasslands during the year, and fed on grasses which they were able to dig up or uncover during the winter, which means they depended on relatively light snowfalls which is what one gets at extreme Northern and Southern Latitudes.

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Google results here

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Starts in 1880 to 1999
Note that 0 was established by an average of temperatures between 1960 and 1990 only. Why not an over all average which would be lower than 0? -- more like -0.2.
I post this as a somewhat contrarian site, but note it's short X Axis (Horizontal) beginning in 1980. I assume that it relates to the poor availability of data on sea surface temperatures before that. There is a slight upward trend despite their "corrections".
Now this may be the work of the scientist most reviled here for his work on Global warming Dr. Randy Mann. The Y axis (Vertical) is kind of exaggerated since it appears to represent only about a degree and a bit, but it does give an interesting look over aq longer time period, and appears to argue against global warming as anything other than a volcanic and Sun activity cause.
Same site with text. Source, not one I'm comfortable with, but the graph is worthwhile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record This site has the longest time span, going back 800,000 years based on Antarctic Ice cores. The top graph (Holocene) reads from left to right, present being at the left, farther into the past up to the ice age to the right. Probably the best of the bunch and the least indicative of Global warming.

There are lots more for the dedicated researcher, but one must be careful of the inherent biases of the authors and their publishers. That's why I have so much trouble with a site that calls itself The Peoples Voice.org. Too many flashbacks of lamented, misguided University friends and their certainties.


Is it Randy Mann that is the Doctor Mann that is so distrusted here for his data? Because from what I've found here it looks pretty good and not alarmist at all.
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Here are the graphs from Wikipedia reversed for easier

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