Donald Rumsfeld, The CIA, NSA, and alphabet agencies

that Goss had been trying to get rid of a bunch of those left wing trouble-makers who think it's their duty to be the fourth wing of the government (my paraphrasing) and as such, to do what they can to knock the president down.

The clip I saw was on the Today show and Rumsfeld
looked like he might burst a vein at any moment.

And Rumsfeld did not answer his question.

Other news programs showed Rumsfeld making the statements that the "leftist loonie" said were made by Rumsfeld.

He may be a "leftist loonie" but on this point he was correct and telling the truth.

He's as twisted in his facts as Joe Wilson and the rest of that tangled web.

QUESTION: You said you knew where they were Tikrit, Baghdad, northeast, south, west of there. Those are your words.

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

Six months after the invasion, on Sept. 10, 2003, Rumsfeld revisited the WMD issue in remarks at the National Press Club

"I said, 'We know they're in that area,' " referring to the weapons. "I should have said, 'I believe we're in that area.

So 6 months AFTER the original statement Rumsfeld realized he misspoke.

So he did make a statement that wasn't true, and 6 months later realized, and NOW 3 YEARS after the fact, he is still denying what he said the first time and forgetting what he said 6 months later.

Really, that is just silly.

He admitted he misspoke, and then 3 years later he forgot. That's a lie? HE ADMITTED HE MISSPOKE.

Sometimes it seems like lefties consider it a lie if yo make a mistake or disagree with them. Didn't McGovern lie when he said the war was unnecessary? I certainly think so.

Like Steve Martin used to say, two simple words...
I FORGOT!

He wouldnt put it past Bush to 'manufacture' a terrorist act with bombs or what have you. I bet he believes the conspiracy theories about 9/11, that Bush was behind it.

After it ended my wife commented on how lucky we are that things aren't like that anymore. I replied, "Don't be so sure."

This thread is proof I'm right. Dare to criticize this Administration and you're a "subversive" or a "left-wing loony." "May haves" and "might somedays" become evidence against people.

It's sickening.

You should take a good hard look at who and what McGovern is before you judge. Look it up and TRY TRY TRY to have an open mind.

It's got nothing to do with "dare to criticize this Administration".

Why do people have to add ''nut'' or loonie'' when referring to ''right wing'' or ''left wing''?

Why not just say "someone with an opposing point of view"?

You know, without the insults?

...you ''hit'' and bash the USA saying what you want to say. And we say what we want to say. You gotta problem with that?

...Midol, Josh. You'll feel better and get over it.

subject also very good, though pure documentary.

My personal favorite exchange is between McCarthy and Welch when Welch asks for the source of some piece of information, and McCarthy claims not to understand. Eventually Welch says "Well was it brought by a Pixie?" McCarthy looks amused and says he doesn't know what a Pixie is, meanwhile Roy Cohn is trying to get McCarthy not to pursue the point. Welch comes back with "Well Senator, I would say that a Pixie was a second cousin to a Fairy." at which point McCarthy goes all stone faced and Cohn tries to hide. Its wonderful what a good debater can do to an empty blow-hard. Tail Gunner Joe, scourge of the Coconuts on his little island. I don't know how many missions he really flew, but it wasn't many, but he did love sitting in the tail turret of the B-25 shooting them off the trees while safely back at base. It's in most of his biographies, except for the exculpatory and self serving ones.

Rob

... is the left's association with and promotion of an OUTRIGHT subversive. (And noted anti-semite to a degree worse than Sheehan, but who's keeping track)

Ray McGovern belongs to a group that ENCOURAGES agents to commit crimes against their country and reveal classified information to further their "anti-war" agenda TO THE DETRIMENT OF (BUT WHO CARES RIGHT?) OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.

He belongs behind bars actually, it's a testament to the UN-Gestapo like actions of this Administration that he is not!

NBC should be highlighting his background

He's among a cadre that believes that leaking is verboten unless it is politically motivated to bring down our President -- the country be damned

But all war IS BAD....

There has never been a good war.

... and the only way for good to triumph. WWII wasn't a good war, but a great many peoples are better off because it was won by the good guys.

then there shouldn't even BE a military, or a Secretary of Defense. I think that is foolish, but you are welcome to your opin

Be a nice world if there was no war or conflict, BUT there IS. And in a world where there is conflict an aggressor can easily take over and kill whomever he wants to unless there are forces arrayed to defend against that.

I should have not been as literal as I was
when I wrote the above posting.

Maybe if I had said the whole principle of war
is wrong, as opposed to just saying "war is wrong"

There are always other means such as sanctions and
cutting off supply routes.. I don't think we had
the right to invade Iraq and I think it's gonna be
a big long fight there....

Take this to a personal level. Killing someone isn't ever "good", but sometimes you have to do it in self defense. Other means to protect yourself include locking your door, alarms, etc.. Perhaps you will try to talk to your attacker and convince them to leave you alone? What if they don't?

We had every right to do what we did in Iraq. Europe didn't recover instantly from WWII either.