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Does this make sense? "Fair pay" for illegal aliens.

by EdHannigan / June 21, 2010 7:05 AM PDT
http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/06/obama-wants-fair-wages-for-illegal-alien-workers/

Another giant step toward amnesty for illegal aliens (undocumented workers, according to Barack Obama) was taken today with the release of a public service announcement by Hilda L. Solis, Obama?s radical Department of Labor Secretary.

Solis says ?you have a right? to fair wages even if you?re in the country illegally and could be deported at any moment ? although the chances of that are next to nothing if you commit no serious crime. Obviously, Ms. Solis doesn?t mention where that ?right? originates, but it has been a common practice of this administration to include anything it deems important as a Constitutional Right any time it feels like it.
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Yep.
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / June 21, 2010 7:13 AM PDT

The alternative is called exploitation.

I don' think it matters that it would apply to so called 'un-documented' workers or not, (she may as well have called them illegal aliens), I think she was addressing a practice of employers exploiting any worker.

Of course such a thing may have an odd effect. If employers were required to pay fair wages for all, then they may stop resorting to employing cheap labor, illegals, and your country's unemployed may find work instead.

So in that sense, yes, it makes sense.

Mark

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The alternative is called...
by EdHannigan / June 21, 2010 7:32 AM PDT
In reply to: Yep.

"leave the country." They are here illegally. They are breaking the law. They have no right to be here at all, much less earn a "fair wage.

I don't think you can force employers to pay illegals a fair wage... they are already breaking the law by employing them at all. Why would they obey one law and not the other?

Why should the government be encouraging the breaking of US law?

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(NT) Are employers being prosecuted then?
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / June 21, 2010 7:37 AM PDT
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No, but they should be.
by EdHannigan / June 21, 2010 7:48 AM PDT

Well, some have been, at least in te Bush Admin. But in general Obama seems content to look the other was on this issue. I don't like the policy of surrendering and abandoning the law.

It's pure politics. They are playing to the Hispanic voter. If they could make it legal for "undocumented" workers to voted, better still. After all, if illegals have a "right" to fair wages (whatever that is) then they should have the right to vote as well. Don't think they aren't working on exactly that.

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prosecutions went down during W.s administration.
by grimgraphix / June 21, 2010 12:20 PM PDT
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Something like this?
by Bill Osler / June 21, 2010 8:11 PM PDT
Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized - washingtonpost.com
Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

I don't know if it's the same article but the theme is similar.

Policy re: illegals during the last few years reminds me a bit of "don't ask, don't tell". It's illegal to live here and work here, and sometimes it's illegal to ask if somebody is a legal resident, but if you don't tell anybody you're illegal nobody cares.
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re:but if you don't tell anybody you're illegal nobody cares
by grimgraphix / June 21, 2010 11:01 PM PDT
In reply to: Something like this?

There are clear cut and practical reasons for immigration laws and policies. If one is an illegal resident of the US then one should apply for residency or be deported. However, the bulk of illegals are fine, hard working people who came to this country to improve themselves and their own lives. They came here for the pursuit of opportunity and happiness. A person has to be a hypocrite to tout these values as if it was the american flag, and then say some people don't deserve those same opportunities.

That being said... Illegal immigrants are here because there is opportunity. Uncontrolled and unregulated opportunity in the form of jobs provided by US citizens. Jobs that vary from gardening and chores to meat processing, carpet manufacturing, etc.

To paraphrase Field of Dreams, if you DONT build it... they WONT come !!!

If we don't hire them... they won't come.

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(NT) thanks Bill, for finding that source
by grimgraphix / June 21, 2010 11:02 PM PDT
In reply to: Something like this?
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Yes, forcing employers
by James Denison / June 21, 2010 1:10 PM PDT
In reply to: Yep.

to pay same wages aka fair wages would actually cut down on the number of jobs disappearing to illegal immigrants.

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IF that were possible....
by EdHannigan / June 21, 2010 8:44 PM PDT
In reply to: Yes, forcing employers

why not charge the employers with a crime instead? There are laws after all. Why is a government official ignoring them and encouraging illegal behavior?

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Works it from both sides
by James Denison / June 21, 2010 9:09 PM PDT

It would seem our govt officials have a problem grabbing illegals and deporting them. However taking away their ability to undercut the prevailing wage scale will become a defacto deportation hopefully, in that maybe they will go back home. Why? Most employers for the same wage paid would prefer a citizen who speaks our language than someone who isn't and doesn't.

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But you WON'T affect the prevailing wage scale at all.
by EdHannigan / June 21, 2010 9:21 PM PDT

Why would employers comply when they are already breaking the law? It will just make the practices more secret and worse. Meanwhile the intention is to extend "rights" for illegals, which is very dangerous.

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I'm all in favor of it!
by Paul C / June 21, 2010 8:31 PM PDT

Illegal immigrants should receive fair pay for their labor - in the countries from where they came. Wink

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Doesn't that also apply
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / June 21, 2010 10:08 PM PDT

to US citizens in their own country?

Give 'them' fair wages and they would do the work the illegals currently do.

Mark

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That WAS true in construction.
by James Denison / June 22, 2010 2:45 AM PDT

Then more Mexicans came streaming across the border and didn't just hit the border states but all over the USA and went straight for construction jobs. Wages in construction fell, many who were citizens couldn't make a living at it anymore, even in a housing boom, because of the lowered wages. Perhaps higher wages would have meant fewer homes built and less inventory and avoided the real estate collapse which is pretty much US wide, although worst concentrated in market areas where the most Mexican workers were hired, displacing former citizen workers.

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