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Does Born Again equal Never Wrong????

by gearup / March 19, 2004 10:05 AM PST
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Re: Does Born Again equal Never Wrong????
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / March 19, 2004 10:28 AM PST

Hi, Gearup.

Great article, but I don't find your header terribly related to the topic...

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Sorry!
by gearup / March 19, 2004 11:28 AM PST

That was supposed to be first line of my text. For some reason I keep having unexpected problems with the software here.

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Fighting and Resolving The World's Problems...
by Blake Cook / March 19, 2004 2:25 PM PST
In reply to: Sorry!
Sorry! That was supposed to be first line of my text. - Gearup

There is nothing to apologize for Gearup. Your subject line was just as appropriate as anyone else's. GW claims to be a born again Christian and he believes that he can do no wrong. Since your linked article discussed how GW believes that he is right even when proven wrong again and again, and how his excuses for his misguided actions keep changing as the truth becomes public knowledge, your subject was spot on...

GW expects the American people to support him regardless of how often he is wrong and he encourages his apologists to denigrate those who refuse to jump off the cliff with them. As GW's "coalition" disintegrates, GW and his apologists will further isolate the US from the world. Those who oppose GW aren't our enemies as GW would have us believe. Once GW is removed from office, the world will once again be able to work together to fight and resolve the world's problems...
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Silly logic, Blake....
by J. Vega / March 19, 2004 2:54 PM PST

Blake, saying that Bush is a born again Christian and would therefore do this or that is silly logic.
Kerry happens to be a Catholic. The Vatican released a document called "DOCTRINAL NOTE on some questions regarding The Participation of Catholics in Political Life". In it were the words: "Catholics, in this difficult situation, have the right and the duty to recall society to a deeper understanding of human life and to the responsibility of everyone in this regard. John Paul II, continuing the constant teaching of the Church, has reiterated many times that those who are directly involved in lawmaking bodies have a

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There Is No Gray Area. Or Is There???
by Blake Cook / March 19, 2004 3:32 PM PST
In reply to: Silly logic, Blake....
Does that mean that Kerry, as a Catholic, would let that control his actions in as President? I doubt it. - J. Vega

Your attempts to divert the discussion away from King George are admirable. I would expect the same from any GW apologist...

To answer your question, I highly doubt that Kerry would impose his religious beliefs on the world and I doubt that he would use them to justify his actions. But it is clear that GW feels that God is guiding his every move and step. GW feels that we are either with him or against him. With GW, there is no gray area or room for dissent. When you go to a GW event, his dissenters are herded to Free Speech "Zones" far away from the event. GW wants those who disagree with his views as far from him as they can be herded. These are not the actions of someone who believes in Democracy or the right of all Americans to challenge his views. Since GW believes that he can do no wrong, especially since believes God is controlling his every step, GW refuses to reconsider his misguided actions and beliefs and continues to attempt to shove those policies down the throats of everyone, both here and abroad. If anyone dares stand in GW's way, he and his apologists are quick to personally denigrate them...

Look what they have done to our allies France and Germany. Now Spain is being added to the list. It's possible that South Korea and Poland will soon be included as well. Before long, as GW's "coalition" disintegrates, the US will stand isolated and all alone. Thank you GW for being such a uniter and not a divider. At the rate we're going, we may eventually be at war with Canada and Mexico, thanks to GW and of course GW's "god"...

I understand that logic may seem silly to GW's apologists. When GW loses in November, his apologists will be surprised and shocked. Some refuse to see in spite of all the overwhelming evidence and logic...
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Not diversion at all...
by J. Vega / March 19, 2004 4:02 PM PST

That was not diversion at all. You dislike Bush's religion, and hold it against him. I don't dislike either Bush's nor Kerry's religion and don't hold their choice of religion against them.

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Waging A Religious War...
by Blake Cook / March 19, 2004 4:26 PM PST
That was not diversion at all. You dislike Bush's religion, and hold it against him. - J. Vega

Speak about silly logic. I don't even know what religion GW worships...

My problem isn't with GW's religion. My problem is with GW's attempt to use religion for his misguided political agendas. GW seems to believe that God agrees with everything he does. I bet that Osama bin Laden has a similar belief. When political leaders use religion to dictate policy, often times those policies end up creating far more problems than they resolve...

It appears that both GW and bin Laden are waging a religious war, or at least a war they believe is backed by God. The only difference is that bin Laden is the only one who admits it...
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One must ask...
by J. Vega / March 19, 2004 4:37 PM PST

You remind me of an article in Life Magazine before Kennedy was elected President, called "Should a Catholic be President".
It appears that you dislike Bush saying that he was a "Born again Christian" and made that a springboard for your current political rave.
One must ask, did you feel the same way about Jimmy Carter?

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Maybe "One" Should Ask...
by Blake Cook / March 19, 2004 5:12 PM PST
In reply to: One must ask...
You remind me of an article in Life Magazine before Kennedy was elected President, called "Should a Catholic be President"...

One must ask, did you feel the same way about Jimmy Carter? - J. Vega


Don't even bother trying to detract away from the original discussion by attempting to personalize it. We are talking about how GW uses religion to further his misguided agendas. I could care less whether GW is Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, Buddist, or Muslim, or any other religious belief. If GW is using religion to further his misguided agendas, I have a problem with him, and it seems obvious that he is...

I voted for Reagan. So does that change "one's" silly and intentionally distracting question any? AFAIK, both Reagan and Carter were religious men. But neither used religion to further their global ambitions, at least not that I remember or was aware of. Maybe "one" should ask himself why he feels a need to protect someone who is dividing this country as well as the world and whose policies continue costing the lives and limbs of our service men and women, as well as innocent Iraqis...
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Perhaps it would help if you pointed us to a link that shows
by Kiddpeat / March 19, 2004 11:58 PM PST

Bush saying that God is telling him what to do, or invoking a link between being born again and the decisions he makes as President. Let's show President Bush SAYING it, not someone else telling us what he is saying.

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Ummm, you don't worship a religion.
by Kiddpeat / March 19, 2004 11:52 PM PST

unless, perhaps, you're an atheist and have nothing else to worship.

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Blake, it would help if you knew what you're talking about.
by Kiddpeat / March 19, 2004 11:47 PM PST

Apparently, you think 'GW claims to be a born again Christian and he believes that he can do no wrong' is a logical statement with the conclusion flowing from the predicate. It is not. It is an oxymoron, and fails logic 101. Perhaps, you should find out what 'born again' means.

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Ahh former Enron advisor Krugman at the NYT at it again ;)
by Evie / March 20, 2004 10:59 PM PST
In reply to: Sorry!

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and this has what to do with 'born again'?
by Kiddpeat / March 19, 2004 11:42 PM PST

Which, BTW, means spiritual rebirth and has no connotation of being inerrant. People who are born again admit just the opposite. They are miserable sinners in need of God's saving grace.

It seems a questionable tactic to provoke interest in your questionable post.

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