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Does any one know....

by Mailman / August 13, 2006 10:19 PM PDT

...exactly how many critical updates there has been for XP? Seems like hundreds. Why would Micro$oft leave so many holes in the OS, just to fill them in peacemeal later?

~Dave

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They find them as they go along and........
by Trance_Zac / August 13, 2006 10:41 PM PDT
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As new Security threats are discovered. You dont have to Update your PC - you just are leaving yourself more vulnerable to internet threats.

If you Install Windows on a machine that will NEVER be on the Internet at all - you're done!

I built a machine for my daughter who has no phone service since She uses a cell phone. It's NEVER been on line or updated. She uses it for college - word processing and such.

Works as great as when I gave it to her 3 years ago!

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The answer is 'Security by obscurity.'
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 13, 2006 11:48 PM PDT
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Since no one can look at the source code, exploits that are possible that no one knows about were left unfixed.

This worked fine until the source code to NT was leaked years ago. And this is a great topic to discuss if you wish.

There are hundreds of patches. But Microsoft rolls them up into Service Packs (SP1 and SP2 being most known).

Bob

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Money
by john_mcdoogle / August 14, 2006 2:18 AM PDT
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People continue to buy their products, even knowing that they're likely riddled with security holes. Until that changes, or we get lemon laws for software, not unlike virtually every other consumer product sold, there's no incentive for Microsoft to do anything. New features are what move products in the Microsoft world, and new features often have unintended consequences.

They wouldn't even be doing as much as they are now if it weren't for Linux and Mac OS X looming on the horizon as potential threats. After successfully killing off Netscape, Internet Explorer was left to rot until Mozilla started shaping up to be a threat worth taking seriously. Windows Media Player development suddenly picked up right around the time iTunes started to become a smashing success. Office 2007 will likely be one of the biggest updates since Office95, which seems to coincide with OpenOffice coming of age. These things are not mere coincidences.

Until people stop buying Microsoft products, particularly updates like Windows98, which was a warmed over Win95 with a bunch of security updates rolled in and IE4 bolted on, it's never going to change.

If you want to do something about it, I'd start by weaning yourself off Microsoft programs. Start with Internet Explorer, and then Office... Find alternative, preferably cross platform, programs for everything you can. They don't have to be free. Buying a copy of WordPerfect Office can help send a message just as well. Ultimately, the goal would be to migrate to Linux, or some other non-Windows OS, or buy a Mac the next time you're looking to upgrade systems.

Nothing else is perfect, it's impossible to have a modern operating system that is completely without defect. So it becomes a matter of design philosophy. There's the Microsoft way, where security is secondary to usability, and there's the way of trying to find a balance between the two. The latter represents almost all open source projects, and even Apple to a lesser extent. Nobody's perfect, but not everyone throws caution to the wind quite like Microsoft, a company that has given new meaning to the word arrogance.

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It may not be that many holes....
by steve749 / August 14, 2006 2:28 AM PDT
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Rather it is that as fixes are done for here and there, new vulnerabilities can be created as while one thing is fixed, another bug is introduced so the fix for bug 102 creates bug 150. Another point is to realize the size of the code of something like XP. There are literally millions of lines of code so that while their may be hundreds if not thousands of bugs, it is worth looking at how big is XP.

Regards,
JB

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(NT) (NT) Dave, hundreds?? Try about 50+ for WINXP Home 2002
by DarCLew2 / August 14, 2006 3:03 AM PDT
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From Secunia. Hundreds if we include IE, OE, and the OS.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 14, 2006 3:12 AM PDT
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