Doctor who was at Parkland says JFK was shot from behind

OK, so in 1979, the House Select Committee on Assassinations disagreed with the Warren Commission, saying Kennedy "was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy." The ABC program indicated that in their vote, the carrying vote was the chairman. It was all based on two men's presentation to the committee who analyzed the sound of the gunshots. Seems a policeman on a motorcycle had left his mike open and a lot of static was recorded at the police station.

These two men claim to have been able to hear 4 gunshots and give the location of the motorcycle so as to show direction (a shot from the grassy knoll). Well, the policeman disputed where his motorcycle was when he heard the 1st shot.

The modern computer/film also disputed the sound men's idea of where the motorcycle was. It is evident that this modern computer/film shows the sound men are wrong in the location of the motorcycle.
They played the tape of the gunshots...I couldn't tell any gunshots from the static even if it was cleared.

Time limits were also something discussed back in the 60's. The modern computer/film timing showed that 3 shots could very well have been done in the amount of time. They showed a 70 year old man demonstrating with an exact copy of the rifle. IMO he was slow and took his time on the last shot and still came in within the time limits. I could have done much faster and with accuracy than he.

They did an amazing recreation of the event and most of the conspiracy theories. I actually went from a conspiracy theorist to a believer that Oswald acted alone that day.

They are replaying it Dec. 20 at 7:00 p.m. EST I believe.

Hi Rick,

I have been watching different channels all week pertaining to the Kennedy's and the day in Dallas. I'm watching on Dish Satellite of the History, History I, Discovery, Discovery Time, Biogr, A&E, and TLC. Not sure if I saw the one you are referring to, but will catch the Dec 20 rerun, thanks.

Seems like this year everyone wants to make a special. Just watched a 1hr 'History' program pertaining to Oswald's mistress. Together they were plotting to produce a cancer virus to kill Castro, with Dr. Oshner of the famous New Orleans clinic being directly involved. Course they explained Oswald was also posing as a pro-communist advocate, then off to deliver the virus to agents in Mexico City.

The other night, a supposedly computer savy guy (him breaking in tears a lot) tried to explain the conspiracy theory in a 1 hr program by analyizing the color/shade of pixels his computer program produced of the films. His system was a bunch of crap. These TV makers will produce anything that will lead people on to believe the worst or think it may be of entertaining interest (they got me..didn't they..ha). Noticed that many of those programs have narrators with a 'British' or 'OZ' accent, and have researchers (producers that believe anything will work) for the film.

Oswald went from the sixth floor to the second in 90 seconds. They proved conclusively that this could be done. What I don't know is if the brass from the three shots was ever recovered, either from Oswald or the book depository.

Yes, the three brass shell casings were recovered near the window where they were fired in the bookdepository building. ABC showed the actual 1963 film of detectives examining the shells near the window. The rifle was found behind some boxes some distance away on the same floor and it was also showed in the 1963 film.

No link, sorry, but:

The amount of shrapnel recovered from Connally's leg, added to the amount of shrapnel left in his body, was greater than the amount of shrapnel missing from the "magic" bullet found on his stretcher. This means that the bullet that "fell" out of his body onto the stretcher couldn't have been the bullet that caused his wounds (and remember, that bullet was also supposedly responsible for JFK's throat wound). How do you figure that?

You must have been viewing one of the ? TV programs trying to convience a conspiracy.

The ABC program showed the bullet that was found in the stretcher and debunked the theory that it broke in shrapnel at all. Ballistic test showed that bullet was fired from Oswalds rifle. The bullet was a jacketed type (not a hollow point, lead tip, or silver tip that would break up) and was slightly blunted at the end.
BTW there was no shrapnel removed from Connally's leg.

The bullet that hit Connally, traveled through Kennedy, through the right upper side of Connally and was pretty much "spent" when it hit Connally's left wrist doing very little damage to the wrist.

Again no link, but you're wrong about the shrapnel. Much was made of it when Connally died, that potential evidence was buried with him (the shrapnel that wasn't removed because the doctors didn't consider it dangerous).

Mrs. Connally was on Larry King last night, and she still insists that her husband and JFK were not hit by the same bullet, and that the Warren Commission poo-pooed her testimony (and her husband's) to that effect during the hearings. When asked whether she believes it was a conspiracy, her reply (paraphrased) was "I don't know about conspiracies but I know what I saw. I was in that car and the members of the Commission weren't."

Some interesting info- animation- Zapruder film..
http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/concl1.htm

You are correct Josh, there was "A tenth of one grain" of bullet fragment left in Connally's leg.
Testimony Of Dr. George T. Shires

http://www.jfk-assassination.de/WCH/shires.html

Mrs Connally is promoting her book being released this month titled "From Love Field: A Remembrance"

You say she said in the Larry King interview to the effect, ..'she still insists that her husband and JFK were not hit by the same bullet, and that the Warren Commission poo-pooed her testimony (and her husband's) to that effect during the hearings. I can't seem to find a poo-poo of her testimony and especially that of her husband. Check it out.... I kinda think that it was an extremely traumatic event that may have...........


Mrs Connally's testimony:

http://www.jmasland.com/testimony/limo/mrs_jbc.htm

(Partial)
Mr. SPECTER. Mrs. Connally, what was your impression, if any, as to the source of the shots?
Mrs. CONNALLY. Well, I had no thought of whether they were high or low or where. They just came from the right; sounded like they were to my right.
Mr. SPECTER. How many did you hear in all?
Mrs. CONNALLY. I heard three.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate on the time that passed from the first to the last shot?
Mrs. CONNALLY. Very short. It seemed to me that there was less time between the first and the second than between the second and the third.
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Mr. SPECTER. With respect to the source, you say you thought it was to the right---did you have any reaction as to whether they were from the front, rear or side?
Mrs. CONNALLY. I thought it was from back of us.
Mr. SPECTER. To the rear?
Mrs. CONNALLY. To the right; that is right.

Testimony Of Gov. John Bowden Connally, Jr.

http://www.jfk-assassination.de/WCH/connally_j.html
(Partial)
Governor Connally.
"........We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately--the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt.
So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back.
Mr. Specter.
What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?
(Continued)

Governor Connally.
A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.
So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.
Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.
(Continued)

I immediately, when I was hit, I said, "Oh, no, no, no." And then I said, "My God, they are going to kill us all."

Mr. Specter.
What was your impression then as to the source of the shot?
Governor Connally.
From back over my right shoulder which, again, was where immediately when I heard the first shot I identified the sound as coming back over my right-shoulder.
Mr. Specter.
At an elevation?
Governor Connally.
At an elevation. I would have guessed at an elevation.
Mr. Specter.
Excuse me.
Governor Connally.
Well, that is all.
Mr. Specter.
Did you have an impression as to the source of the third shot?
Governor Connally.
The same. I would say the same.

I would not doubt your theory on who orchestrated the assassination. Nor would I doubt the results of Gunny Hathcock if he indeed did some specific test on the rifle. There are many writers who print all kind of stuff pertaining to the assassination, some claiming something could or could not be done based on their verbal claims of others. The guy writing the article you refer to, Thomas L. Jones, appears to me to be just another writer/journalists.

I like to be able to see more substantial material before believing what many of these writer/journalists put out. For instance this seems more substantial to me:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/mc.htm

I also saw a demonstration on ABC TV just the other day, with a 70 year old retired sharpshooter FBI agent working the rifle action (of an exact duplicate)who was able to do it in the time frame. To me, I thought that geezer was slow, especially the time he took getting off the last (3rd) aimed shot, and I could have done better even at my age.

John, many years ago, CBS did an experiment which they televised and I happened to see.
They also did a mockup at a firing range and had some people try it with an identical gun. A Texas State Trooper was able to fire 3 rounds in the allotted time. The first one was a dead on head hit. Something to consider about this was that the Trooper didn't have all the attempts that that gunnery sergeant had in his test/proof. The Trooper felt that with a bit of practice, he could get all 3 hits.
The failure of a particular gunnery sergeant does not "prove" that a Texas State Trooper could not do what the sergeant was unable to do. After all, it was not a test that some journalist may have said happened in some article, the CBS experiment was broadcast on network T.V., and I found it to be well worth watching and considering.

It's also worth noting that Oswald's rifle was fitted with a defective scope and that attempts to duplicate what he allegedly did with that same rifle were unsuccessful.

My brother-in-law is an ex-Marine, Special Services. He was involved in a lot of top-secret stuff around the time of Gulf War I. Occasionally we joke about black helicopters and stuff and one evening, after a couple of beers, I jokingly asked him, "OK, tell me the truth, JFK, what really happened?"

He replied, "Well, I can't tell you who did it but I can tell you who didn't." He went into some detail about the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle and what a piece of crap it was, and then asked me if I'd been to the Sixth Floor museum in the old Book Depository building. I told him I had. He asked if I remembered that the window alleged to be the one Oswald fired from had been sealed off and the "sniper's nest" recreated to look as it did that day. I did. His comment: "They didn't do that to recreate the crime scene. They did it so nobody would be able to look out that window and see how impossible those shots would have been." I looked out the window next to it and it looked pretty dicey from there as well. From the "sniper's nest" window, there is a much clearer shot to Houston Street, the street the limo was on briefly before turning left onto Elm. Unless Oswald took too long to get his nerve up and blew his chance to fire from that better angle, it just doesn't make sense that he would wait until the car had passed him.

Another thing, as regards the single-bullet theory:

The Warren Commission initially theorized that JFK and Connally had in fact been hit by separate shots. They were forced to revisit that when they learned that a bystander on the other side of Dealey Plaza had been hit by concrete that had been shot off a curb by a ricocheting bullet (the bullet was never officially recovered but photos seem to show that someone did pick it up). Since only three casings had been found in the Book Depository, they had to find a way for the remaining two shots to have caused all the wounds to both men (aside from JFK's head wound). Since the Zapruder film showed that the head shot came after Connally had been hit, that meant that the shot that hit JFK first had to also have hit Connally; to find otherwise would mean a 2nd gunman.

The common misconception about the Warren Commission is that it was convened to find out what happened. It was not. It was convened to prove Oswald did it and acted alone. Both LBJ and Hoover were worried about a possible Soviet connection since Oswald had lived in Russia, and didn't want the assassination to force WWIII.

There's a funny old Woody Allen bit from his stand-up days in which he tells the audience that his current project is a non-fiction version of the Warren Report...

Disregard "(aside from JFK's head wound)" in my previous post.

... couldn't that ricochet have been a bullet that already hit Kennedy or Connally before the sidewalk?
-- Dave K.

Based on the location of the victim, the bullet had to have flown way over the limo in order to have hit that piece of the curb. There's no angle at which that bullet, fired from Oswald's alleged location, could have hit someone in the limo and then continued to fly across the plaza and hit that bit of sidewalk.

There are SOOOOO many questions we could bring up here! For example, why was the car destroyed so soon after the assassination? Some witnesses claimed there were bullet holes in the windshield which would, of course, be indicative of shots coming from in front of the car. The "Stemmons Freeway" sign that temporarily obstructs the view in the Zapruder film was also removed shortly after the assassination. Rumors of one or more bullet holes in the sign persist.

Dave can come up with a tie in to Bush as the reason.

I'm betting it is another skeleton in clinton's closet myself!

**"It's also worth noting that Oswald's rifle was fitted with a defective scope and that attempts to duplicate what he allegedly did with that same rifle were unsuccessful."**
Hmmm...don't know where you got that info. Re the Warren Commission:

The Oswald rifle had an inexpensive 4 power telescopic stamped "Optics Ordnance Inc./Hollywood California," and "Made in Japan"
Testing by 3 FBI experts of Oswalds rifle:
http://www.jfk-assassination.de/WCR/wcr4.html#p43

"...Frazier later fired four groups of three shots at a distance of 100 yards in 5.9, 6.2, 5.6, and 6.5 seconds. Each series of three shots landed within areas ranging in diameter from 3 to 5 inches. Although all of the shots were a few inches high and to the right of the target., this was because of a defect in the scope which was recognized by the FBI agents and which they could have compensated for if they were aiming to hit a bull's-eye. They were instead firing to determine how rapidly the weapon could be fired and the area within which three shots could be placed. Frazier testified that while he could not tell when the defect occurred, but that a person familiar with the weapon could compensate for it. Moreover, the defect was one which would have assisted the assassin aiming at a target which was moving away. Frazier said, "The fact that the crosshairs are set high would actually compensate for any lead which had to be taken. So that if you aimed with this weapon as it actually was received at the laboratory, it would not be necessary to take any lead whatsoever in order to hit the intended object. The scope would accomplish the lead for you." Frazier added that the scope would cause a slight miss to the right. (Continued)

It should be noted, however, that the President's car was curving slightly to the right when the third shot was fired. Based on these tests the experts agreed that the assassination rifle was an accurate weapon.
Simmons described it as "quite accurate," in fact, as accurate as current. military rifles. Frazier testified that the rifle was accurate, that it had less recoil than the average military rifle and that one would not have to be an expert marksman to have accomplished the assassination with the weapon which was used."
(Later testing in 1979 is noted in one of my post above.)

The blocking of that particular window in the bookdepository building has caused some wild speculation why it is not open to the public. Expert opinions that I have read all agree that Oswald could have fired those shots from that particular window.

Nice to hear your brother-in-law is an ex-Marine, Special Services. I'm sure he served well. A Top Secret clearance does not entitle viewing anything classified associated with the Kennedy assassination. A "need to know" along with the clearance is required even to view any Secret material. Your brother-in-law seems to be speculating along like a lot of us do with certain events.

JR

I did not mean to suggest that my brother-in-law was speaking from anything more than his experience, and knowledge of weapons. He does not claim to be privy to any information re: JFK.

The road does indeed curve slightly to the right at around the point where the car was when the 3rd shot hit. The road also goes slightly downhill.

Josh brought it up about his BIL having a Top Secret clearance. I just gave a little info about having a "need to know" on anyone having a TS clearance regardless of if it has anything to do with the Kennedy assassination. As far as I know there is nothing still classified with the Kennedy assassination.

Sigh, now the chip in the cement is brought up...no link as usual. I recall something about that an awful long time ago, seemed to be another 'urban legend' claim as I recall with no substance. When I get time I'll research it for discussion.

Ian, you don't understand something basic. All classified information is automatically on a need to know basis. Somebody with a TS clearance does not automatically have access to all TS material. They may not browse thru the files at will.