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Do you refill your ink carts?

Jan 28, 2009 6:37PM PST

User refills are still being done. However, IMHO its no where near what it used to be. I just wonder do you still practice refilling your own ink carts? Besides cost does it still offer value to you besides less landfills? Have you tried on say, a new printer but gave-up due to chips or difficultly? Do you simply use the return envelope and send back the empties and buy new or vendor refills?

I may refill on older printers their ink carts but find I've moved on to laser printers whenever possible. Comments -----Willy Happy

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Jan 28, 2009 10:01PM PST

Tried it when refill kits first came out. Spent a lot for the best. It was a mess and didn't work well. I believe there was a limit to the number of time cartridges could be filled before they'd start to clog. And I think printer manufacturer's have gotten wise to the practice and learned to make life miserable for those who try to circumvent their plan of creating dependencies on their products. We still have a color ink jet but an old HP 1100 laser gets the bulk of the work. I might try pre-refilled cartridges on the ink jet as an alternative just once. I never stock up at sale time on ink any more because have been burnt a couple of times when printers died leaving me with extra ink. No savings when that happens.

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I tried
Jan 29, 2009 2:42AM PST

purchasing refilled ones at a local brand name company but the printing results weren't that great. I have a different printer now and they have a sensor in them that cannot be reset. I buy mine from the manufacturer's website. Was considering the Kodak printer advertised, looks cheap on ink with great quality prints.

I send my refills to PetSmart Charities and it helps homeless dogs. It's a good cause, so that's why I do this.


Rick

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Printer cartridge refills
Jan 30, 2009 11:25AM PST

I've used refills successfully on Canon bubblejet printers, where the actual print head is in the cartridge. But I found you can only refill twice and don't let the cartridge dry out before you refill.

I've done black on an Epson colour printer (you need a chip resetter)but getting hold of the coulur inks, especially light cyan and light magenta is tiresome.

I've used OEM and remanufactured cartridges and had good success with them and the price is very close to the cost of refilling.

Your mileage may vary.

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Refills
Jan 30, 2009 11:39AM PST

Early versions of Epson was pretty well for refilling. Later models, epson went to great extent to keep you from refilling. The problem I have had is with the HP color carts. The black hasn't been all that bad but can't fill but a couple times. Have not tried any of the others but disappointed in the HP refills.

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The ink ripoff continues....
Jan 30, 2009 1:06PM PST

For a few years I was extremely happy with my Canon S520 because of how cheap it ran. A 10-pack of aftermarket cartridges cost $20, and I even shot cheap refill ink in those in a pinch. Letting the printer sit for 9 months would only make me go through a few cleaning cycles before it was up and running again.

Those were good times.

Not long ago the printer threw up the "bad printhead" error. There's no way to fix it without buying a replacement printhead that costs more than a new printer.

Shopping for a replacement printer is more upsetting now because of these chips and other methods they use to suck your wallet dry without giving you any other options. Thank God for that new Polaroid system and their infomercials, maybe all manufacturers will learn that we're tired of being raped on every page we print.

My solution was to buy a cheap Canon ip2600 for $30 @wackmart. I haven't even unsealed the cartridges yet because soon I'll install a CIS (continuous ink system) by drilling and attaching the tubes straight into them while they're fresh. Not sure how well this is going to work, but I'll try anything before I pay out huge sums of cash for something so petty as printing.

Talk about pollution, THEY are the ones who charge less for the printer than the ink. I can only wonder how many printers are in landfills because of how cheap they are, and the complications or cost of keeping them running.

At $35 for cartridges, my $30 printer could easily be tossed every time it runs out.

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Oops.
Jan 30, 2009 1:09PM PST

I was referring to the new Kodak systems on TV, not Polaroid as I stated.

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Refill Ink..Canon S520 comment
Jan 31, 2009 8:25AM PST

I still have my S520..yes remanufactured inks anywhere from $ 1.85-$3.50. As considered one of the "best" text prints of any inkjet.

How much was a new print head? I assumed $ 50.00 and if true you should have tried because f "text uality" and those cheap refills. Canon has gone to complete cartridges like HP and Lexmark.

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You are close.
Jan 31, 2009 9:38AM PST

Yeah, I believe S520 printheads were about $50 and shipping. Not sure if they sell them anymore. And a Google search yielded the results of people who couldn't get their printer back running after replacing the head. I didn't like the risk.

During that search I also read where a few people suspect that some printers have a built-in limiter. Something like a chip that counts years or pages printed, until it shuts you down with some obscure error. I don't know.

But I miss that printer. I still have it and a full 10-pack of cartridges.

For anyone who is interested in that Continuous Ink System I spoke of earlier:

http://www.inkproducts.com/ink-store/catalog/Our-Canon-Do-It-Yourself-Black-and-Color-System-With-Ink-p-426.html

As soon as I find the time (and funds) I'll test it on my new Canon ip2600. I've been wanting to set up a printer that way for a few years now.

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CIS systems
Jan 31, 2009 9:59PM PST

CIS systems work VERY well and last a long time. I use one for my Epson R200 I bought from an eBay store.

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printer not really cheaper than cartridges
Feb 1, 2009 1:46AM PST

I don't know about your Canon IP2600 in particular, but beware. Most of the time $30 printers only come with "starter" cartridges. No bargain after all. You'll be throwing away a printer every week after printing out only a few tens of pages.

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I agree. The original cartridges are usually crap.
Feb 1, 2009 2:44AM PST

Yeah, I would be tossing printers every few days. I was just making a point.

Again, I'll soon acquire the hardware to "pipe in" the ink to the original carts. If for some reason they fail I'll buy a set of the higher capacity ones. I think it will work fine because you shouldn't need to reset a chip when the ink never runs low.

I wish I were already trying this, but my funds are a little low. What little I have left over lately is slowly going to my new PC build. I'll be all set in a few months.

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Resetting a Chip
Feb 1, 2009 3:25AM PST

Brianstech, you are on the right track, however, you will need to know if the printer you have reads what is in the cartridge or, like some, goes by how many characters have been printed. That will be the difference. If I'm not mistaken, Cannon has one or two that reads the characters and you'll have to do a reset.

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Thanks, I didn't know that.
Feb 1, 2009 4:41AM PST

Yep. I wouldn't doubt what you are saying.

If these printer companies had their way they would use a direct withdrawal from our bank accounts.

As you can tell I have a problem with blatant greed. Everyone has a right to profit, but I've seen people spend hundreds a month on home (personal) printing. Not me, no way.

During those Kodak infomercials Richard Karn mentions how printer ink is one of the most expensive liquids on Earth. I totally agree.

I might consider buying the Kodak someday because it prints with inexpensive dye instead of ink. I'm just not crazy about all-in-ones, they're like VCR/DVD combos. I already have a real nice new Epson scanner.

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I would try to refill them, I do that partially for a living
Jan 30, 2009 2:05PM PST

Hey Willy,

I work at a Photo Lab in Pittsburgh, PA (soon-to-be a manager).

We develop pictures as well as refill about 30 to 40 ink cartridges a week, and thats considered average. Out of those, we refill HP, Lexmark, Epson, Dell, and Canon cartridges. I'd say we have a 90% success rate, and that is true for most labs. Also, we put ink in the cartridge that is developed differently than the original, with a different chemical composition but equal attributes so your cartridge performs properly without infringing any copyrights.

The only two things are to watch out for is the price and the print test. They should print test it for you on a small sheet of paper using a testing machine, and they should only charge you if they successfully are able to refill it. Lastly, most cartridges can be refilled between 3 and 5 times. Try it out. My Giant Eagle (Pittsburgh-based) refils any cartriges, black, color, OR PHOTO, for $9.99

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Refilling ink cartridges
Jan 30, 2009 9:53PM PST

I have been refilling individual colour ink cartridges since 2004. My canon printer died last year with the original cartridges - 4 years old.
I then bought a canon mp830 and refill these individual colour cartidges also - about 10 months now. It was tricky to deactivate the chips but my ink supplier supplied me with the instructions. I am very happy with refilling as I use a lot of ink in my business (childcare centres) and I save hundreds of dollars. I am still using the original cartridges and refill at least once/month. Linda

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canon mp830
Jan 31, 2009 3:06AM PST

I have a mp830, and am interested in refilling cartridges, What do you mean and how do you deactivate the chip? I have plenty of empty cartridges to refill. Please email me at resch@dejazzd.com. Thank You

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Deactivating cartridge chip
Feb 2, 2009 9:17AM PST

I too would like to know how to deactivate the ink cartridge chip. If you could reply in this forum or email me at dedlnr@hotmail.com, I would appreciate it.

I used to refill cartridges but it started to be messy and not to work. I bought a Canon iP4500 and tried to have a local business refill the 5 PGBK black cartridge, but both times (2 different cartridges) they wouldn't work. The computer indicated there was no cartridge in the printer. I'm guessing that's because of the chip.

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Chip Reset
Feb 2, 2009 10:46AM PST
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My Walgreen refill was half sized
Jan 30, 2009 11:54PM PST

I weigh my HP78 color cartridges and noticed a $15 refill at Walgreens was only 105 or 115gm (95 empty) vs. 140 from a real refiller. It ran out of ink very fast.
I use a digital postal scale (within 5 gms probably).
I talked to them later about it andthey said the machine was automatic and I should have brought it back.

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Now this is cool
Feb 1, 2009 1:57AM PST

I have to say, the coolest thing I've ever heard about, I think in the NY times science (or food?) section was this guy, a chef, who drilled out the cartridges in his inkjet printer, cleaned them really well, filled them with colored icing, and printed out pictures onto clear cellulose "paper" to put custom pictures onto cakes! For real. This is common now, but this guy started it.

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Wow, your cake and icing too
Feb 18, 2009 3:32AM PST

Yes, I've seen such pictures on cakes. Though, I never thought about it, they did look "photo quality", I didn't know it was done by inkjets. However, I know inkjets are being outside of PC world or rather commercial applications where some type of printing/graphics is being done. In a rather unique way, its being used to dump outputs that build-up where a 3-D image can be made. I'm sure they'll make other uses of "inkjet" output. Thanks for the new source of info. -----Willy Happy

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Can't reset cartridge chip
Feb 17, 2009 9:38AM PST

I had hoped to reset the ink cartridge/printer chip on my iP4500 printer so I could reuse cartridges, but the link I was sent has info that doesn't work for me. Anyone else have any secrets to get refilled items to work? I wrote to Canon about it and the response was something about keeping the printer safe from poor workmanship or blah blah. I wrote back and said it was more a money issue for them than keeping the product safe. Too bad, because I will now look for companies more concerned about their customers and printers that allow reuse of cartridges. dedlnr

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Can't reset cartridge chip
Feb 17, 2009 11:10AM PST
http://www.refillinstructions.com/Canon/C28.htm

I refill cartridges for the iP4500 and the mp830. The instructions (as above link) for both is the same as the cartridges are the same. What problem are you having as it always works for me and I've been doing it for years.
Linda
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Its better to buy new cartridges
Feb 19, 2009 4:26PM PST

If u want to refill ur cartridges make sure u do it from a trusted person. It is not always advisable to use refilled cartridges since it may cause leakage in ur printer and can affect the performance of ur printer. Also repeatedly refilling a cartridge can eventually cause ink leaking into ur page when u print ur important text. Also if not used ocassionally it may cause ur cartridge to dry out...Most companys therefor recommend using new cartridges for better performance...

Try this link to buy some good products at reasonable rates
www.imageenterprise.com

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"CIS better then refill"
Feb 21, 2009 2:00AM PST

why anybody would still consider refilling cartridges rather then using continuous ink systems is beyond me. Look up on Ebay "csi" + your printer like "HP" or "Epson" and you will find virtually hundreds of systems. Cartridges offered with the CSI system have auto reset chips. Some printers you need to release and re-install the CSI cartridge when indicated empty, minor nuisance. I like the ones which have bigger "bottles" for black and yellow, the 2 colors which have the most use. CSI and for that matter refilling makes only sense on printers with separate print heads where the cartridges are just little ink tanks. Most Epson's are like that, only some HP's. Some CSI are only marginally more expensive then a set of cartridges ~$60 -$90 and their refill is ~$25. Colors are good. With a CSI you completely stop worrying about color printing costs. I usually research available CSI systems for say Epson and then buy last years model brand new for <$70 + CSI for $49 and you are done: CX9400fax <$79 + CSI $ 49.00 (+shipping)

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Good to Hear
Feb 21, 2009 2:22AM PST

Axel, it's nice to see someone out there who knows more about continuous ink and how to avoid the expensive cartridge "merry-go-round". Hopefully your input will help others here.

I'll order and install the system I've been talking about as soon as I get back from this upcoming business trip. It will be fun to finally dive into something I've wanted to try for years.

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Refilling Canon cartridges
Jan 17, 2011 5:37PM PST

One of the most common problems we have seen when using refilled or recycled ink cartridges for this printer model or other printers using these cartridges if the ink out warning indicator. Most first time users believe that the refilled or recycled inkjet cartridge is empty, when it is not. To get around the ink out warning you will need to do an ink level indicator override, which is explained in Canon's printer service or maintenance documentation. After it is overridden, the printer will work fine but the ink level will not indicate accurately. Over the years we have had plenty of experience dealing with these type of fixable snags. www.re-inks.com.