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Do you believe this? Jessie tries to pull us in even when it's been hands off!

Mar 1, 2004 11:03AM PST

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More Regime Change? GW Has Proven He Strongly Supports It...
Mar 1, 2004 11:39AM PST
EXCLUSIVE BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT ARISTIDE SAYS 'I WAS KIDNAPPED' 'TELL THE WORLD IT IS A COUP'...

"Multiple sources that just spoke with Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide told Democracy Now! that Aristide says he was "kidnapped" and taken by force to the Central African Republic. Congressmember Maxine Waters said she received a call from Aristide at 9am EST. "He's surrounded by military. It's like he is in jail, he said. He says he was kidnapped," said Waters. She said he had been threatened by what he called US diplomats. According to Waters, the diplomats reportedly told the Haitian president that if he did not leave Haiti, paramilitary leader Guy Philippe would storm the palace and Aristide would be killed. According to Waters, Aristide was told by the US that they were withdrawing Aristide's US security.

TransAfrica founder and close Aristide family friend Randall Robinson also received a call from the Haitian president early this morning and confirmed Waters account. Robinson said that Aristide "emphatically" denied that he had resigned. "He did not resign," he said. "He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup." Robinson says he spoke to Aristide on a cell phone that was smuggled to the Haitian president."

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Next Venezuela? We already tried once...
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Yah, rigghhtt! BS! (NT)
Mar 1, 2004 3:27PM PST

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Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark...
Mar 1, 2004 4:47PM PST
Yah, rigghhtt! BS! - Kiddpeat

Of course since you have an inside track to what the CIA and GW are up to, you will be able to deny all claims about our actions in Haiti. But for all others who don't have a hot line to the pResident, there are plenty of other sources questioning our role in this incident...

I suppose your inside sources are better than Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Here's what Clark has to say...

Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark's Statement on Haiti

"The Bush administration has worked towards the removal of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide from office for three years. It has enforced a unilateral embargo and cut off humanitarian aid to the poorest country in the hemisphere. It has sought to undermine support for President Aristide while supporting his opposition. It has waged a relentless propaganda campaign to force him out of office. It has supported calls for elections in violation of the constitution and laws of Haiti.

Most recently the U.S. has forced regime change by armed aggression supporting former Haitian military officers, FRAPH leaders and criminal elements who entered Haiti with heavy firepower. Though only hundreds in number they easily captured Cap Haitien, Gonaives, Hinche and Les Cayes, killing the police who were untrained in warfare, or in defending against commando units, armed only with pistols."

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The fire this time in Haiti was US-fueled...
Mar 1, 2004 11:50AM PST

"The Bush administration appears to have succeeded in its long-time goal of toppling Aristide through years of blocking international aid to his impoverished nation
By Jeffrey Sachs

Monday, Mar 01, 2004,Page 9

Haiti, once again, is ablaze. President Jean-Bertrand Aristide is widely blamed, and he may be toppled soon. Almost nobody, however, understands that today's chaos was made in Washington -- deliberately, cynically and steadfastly. History will bear this out. In the meantime, political, social, and economic chaos will deepen, and Haiti's impoverished people will suffer.

The Bush administration has been pursuing policies likely to topple Aristide since 2001. The hatred began when Aristide, then a parish priest and democracy campaigner against Haiti's ruthless Duvalier dictatorship, preached liberation theology in the 1980s. Aristide's attacks led US conservatives to brand him as the next Fidel Castro.?"

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Who is Jeffrey Sachs?
Mar 1, 2004 3:31PM PST

I think Haiti is the last thing on the mind of anyone except Haitians, but there are those who see the CIA behind everything that happens in the world. Kind of like the tri-lateral commission.

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Get with the program, Kiddpeat...
Mar 1, 2004 3:54PM PST

Kiddpeat, get with the program. For a while on the forum, he has warned/raved about a secret government underground "plot", beyond the Republican/Democrat situation. Illumaniti ( spelling guess) or some such Bull S**** term that they use.
Forget Republican or Democrat, think "Twilight Zone/Outer Limits.

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Re:Get with the program, Kiddpeat...
Mar 1, 2004 4:42PM PST

Only the uniformed believe gw is really pulling the strings.

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Welfare of the Haitians...
Mar 1, 2004 4:57PM PST
I think Haiti is the last thing on the mind of anyone except Haitians - Kiddpeat

Sadly, you are probably right. You know why?

1. There are very few white people in Haiti...
2. There isn't any oil in Haiti...

We were so concerned supposedly about the welfare of the Iraqis and Afghanis. Sadly, we could care less about the welfare of the Haitians just because they have nothing we want...
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(NT) NO WAR FOR BANANAS!!!
Mar 1, 2004 7:40PM PST

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Why don't you offer to put Aristide back where he came from now - Perhaps he will change his stupid mind :) NT
Mar 1, 2004 3:57PM PST

NT

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So far, the wisest thing I've read in this whole thread about Aristide. [nt]
Mar 1, 2004 4:33PM PST

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