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Disreparable locksmith

by hh_harcourt / February 7, 2018 5:30 AM PST

original problem was the ignition key would not turn. Locksmith replaced ignition cylinder. He did not have a key in stock, went under the hood near the relays twice. The hard starting began when he turned on the car. When the car did not turn over (for the first time in 7 years) he announced that I needed a new battery. This all happened on November 3. The car's hard starting is getting worse. When I start the car in the morning it starts right up fine. I live in Florida) No such luck in the afternoon. When the key is released from the start position the starter still engages the flywheel.

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How old is that battery?
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / February 7, 2018 7:54 AM PST
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He could be right. A new battery is pretty cheap compared to a trip to the auto shop.

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Hard to start
by landdchamp Forum moderator / February 7, 2018 12:30 PM PST
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Hi, hh;
I've seen batteries (and dirty battery connections) cause this issue. If the battery is too low on charge, or if the battery cables are dirty there can be enough loss of voltage for the solenoid to pull the starter drive away from the flywheel, staying engaged. Clean the cables, have the battery fully charged, then have a load test done on the battery. Could also be the ignition switch is not coming out of the start position. Post year, make, and model of the vehicle, please. Possible, but unlikely, the teeth on the flywheel could be damaged so as to 'grab onto' the starter drive causing it not to release.
Good luck.

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its not the battery
by hh_harcourt / February 8, 2018 10:49 AM PST
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found + terminal loose. Tightened but no help on 2006 Buick Lacrosse CX.
I recall it all started about 4 months ago (before the locksmith) when it would drive fine for 2 weeks then the car would completely die. Like a hot wire was shorting to ground. I have replaced the battery on 11/5 and the starter on 1/31. The teeth of the starter has grinded 4 times since new. Im going to get a load test on the battery now.

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I see Landdchamp did note cables.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / February 8, 2018 11:12 AM PST
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But by dirty cables my bet he meant connections.

It used to be old school mechanics that would growl at you then you see them remove the cable, whip out the usual battery terminal cleaning tool, give it a few twists then reassemble.

You did great on both finding and fixing. I don't see a locksmith having much to do with the troubles here. They usually only deal with the locks and may be out of their depth when it comes to the electrics.

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Final answer to disreparable locksmith and hard starting
by hh_harcourt / February 8, 2018 6:29 AM PST
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bad locksmith?- I fixed it last night in about a half hour. I got the locksmith on 11/3 then got a new battery on 11/5. Well I found that the terminal was not tightened AND one of the two red wires was pulled out away from the terminal and oily. I cleaned the wire with Mass Air Flow cleaner and tightened it.
Goes to show you to always check the work done by others. I took the car to 3 mechanics mechanics and none of them would give me more than 5 minutes.
Not bad for a 70 year old.

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by landdchamp Forum moderator / February 8, 2018 12:55 PM PST

Hi, hh; Really great hearing that you got it!!! 70? I'm right behind you. LOL. Have a great weekend and thank you for letting us know.

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more info
by hh_harcourt / February 9, 2018 6:48 AM PST
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Drove it for 4 hours and when I went over a bumpy road it quit 4 times. I'm convinced it is a loose connection or a hot wire shorting out. I have a list of 4 mechanics that won't charge $300 to start. Jacksonville FL would really benefit from an honest mechanic. From my Navy electronics years' I'm going to suggest he starts the car and JIGGLE WIRES.

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by landdchamp Forum moderator / February 10, 2018 10:52 AM PST
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Hi, hh; I've got to agree with you that it does sound like a poor connection. Not called 'jiggle wires', but wiggle test. That is, actually, a real part of some flow charts. Can be a nightmare finding it, though.
It may come down to doing circuit testing which can get expensive due to the time involved.
Good luck. Keep us posted if you wouldn't mind. I think you've got all of us scratching our heads. Happy

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