Disgusting!

Dear Charlie

My guess is about as bad as anyone in either the US or UK feels at this news, and we all dearly hope that these are isolated incidents. I guess they are probably not as isolated as we hope.

Not being a soldier, I don't know how you can train people to have a warring mentality and then swap them over to peace-keeping without repercussions of revenge given the atrocities wrought on some of the alliance troops, and I sure don't think that the extended length of duty is gonna help much here.

It is appalling IMO, but troop management must have an accountability also. Surely only spin doctors can change with the wind?

Regards
Mo

I fail to see what a policy having to do with gays in the military has anything to do with these despicable acts.

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When you allow perverts into the military, don't actively seek their removal, you tell the others that "it's OK".

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When you see a logpile, what's the first motivation that pops into YOUR mind? Simulated homosexuality. Somebody there was getting a thrill out of it.

James, this is the result of "Christians" who feel their religion is superior to all others, and that (insert your favorite hate word for Muslims here) are "subhuman." When you think someone is contemptable, that thought eventually translates into action. Do you think the Germans of 1923 could have helped shovel Jews into the ovens? Mein Kampf and its description of Jews, Slavs, gypsies (and homosexuals!) as "sub-human" ("unter-mensch") was needed to pave the way. We've all heard that "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." That's actually not true, because often the words lead to the sticks and stones -- and much, much worse.

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What this would have to do with that policy is beyond me.

But the rest of the post could be done without

Evie

Evie, I must agree. When the debate gets political, sometimes references to Nazi Germany are used. There is even an old saying about that goes back to the BBS days.
Recently, Dave demonstrated that old saw. To be expected, I guess, but I couldn't help but notice the escalation in the wording. Refering to people being shoveled into ovens was an escalation in rhetoric that I personally found to be a bit extreme when the subject was not Nazi Germany.

What on earth do Christians have to do with ANY of the humilitian of Iraqi prisoners? What Christians call other peoples 'subhuman'? It was Christians, like Deitrich Bonnhoffer, who resisted the Nazi attrocities! You are really bouncing off the wall Dave, or do you also think all Americans are Christians?!

is what happened here so different to what has happened in prisons all over the world?

people who literally have the power to make life hell (or even end it?) will invariably do so!

cops who beat a suspect for 'fun', officers who turn a blind eye to what happens to new recruits in the armed forces, soldiers who torture for 'fun' (or those who do it because it's their "job") prison officers..... shoot! the list is endless

someone once said "if power corrupts etc etc etc" the GIs in iraq are in power, and nature and the fact that they are human beings will ensure that somewhere down the line, someone will abuse that power....

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Evie, the problem with that for his goal is that Dave K. started that thread, and he might be percieved as the one who brought it to attention of others. Dave would get the "credit".

Who gets the bill?

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Might I suggest that if participation in one of "your" threads is by invitation only, you might post a new thread and list the forum members that are legally allowed to particicipate in your future threads.

But, did anyone notice that Charlie has done it again?
Another nasty thread in SE and then he pretends innocence? EXACTLY what he intended when he made the first post! IMO
Glenda

... has to be invited into a discussion in a public forum, Charlie. You complain about not getting respect -- you have to give respect to receive it in return.

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The prison's commander was a woman, and the soldier I saw in the pictures was a woman. Coincidence?

It's bad enough that Muslim men are stripped naked in front on infidels and made to touch other naked men but to have women do it is something that can trigger a blood feud.

... one would think that women would have less tendancy to engage in this behavior, as it is often said the world would be a more civil place with women in charge. Not sure reality bears that out. The woman in the pictures is apparently the one claiming she is being scapegoated for something she was encouraged to do. I think I'll wait for all the facts to settle out before forming an opinion other than that the behavior was inexcusably despicable.

Evie

Hi, Evie.

I don't happen to remember the gender of the soldier who made the claim, but at least one claimed encouragement by interrogators who may or may not have been CIA. What is interesting is that there's no mention of participation by interrogators, or that this incident may have been an attempt to obtain information by psychological torture. We have openly stated time and time again that we wish to "break" the captured Al Qaeda/Taliban/Iragi prisoners -- I sincerely hope this isn't just the tip of the iceberg. But why aren't the government channels making any mention of the interrogators?

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