Disgusting!

The victims will feel so much better now! NOT!

But one thing is for sure, we as a people need to get our priorities straight.I am not saying we are unique in this, but we need to stem the violence in our own society. The lack of respect and caring, makes us
absolutely not a Judeo Christian culture, as we claim to be.

Hi, Mary K.

The root of the problem is seen on this forum, in the various anti-Muslim threads that speak of "sub-humans" etc. The problem is that many Americans DON'T respect Islam or Muslims -- and incidents like this are the inevitable results.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

Dave, NOBODY here has referred to anyone as subhumans except the TERRORISTS. Your implication otherwise is disgraceful.

Evie

People who advocate "just nuke them" or "turn the city into glass" are not suggesting that "those people" are less than human beings?

When it came to Afghanistan some people wanted to see the country turned into a parking lot... Words like r**heads are also used to describe Muslims in general. Jokes about Muslims smelling like camel sh*t have been told too... There is way too much hatred in this forum. Some people's nature can never be changed...

he did 'apologise' didn't he.....

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since some of them have been deleted and others were posted in the "old forum".
You may as well want to do a search on some of those words like the r-word and find out that there have been posts incuding that word and it is not the first time. As I said the old forum was full of hatred and this is getting there too unfortunately.

... in context (and not in pointing out it's use as you have also done here) goes by the psuedonym of xerpor.

If you take that bait to the coast you can catch a whale with it.

Richard

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and I am sure I was not the only one that did a mod alert on it! You my dear "SIR" are the only one that I recall using that derogatory term!
Glenda

Evie, that phrase itself may have only been used directly about terrorists. But there are other posts that basically claim all Muslims are alike. It's a slippery slope -- and personally, I wouldn't even use the phrase with reference to terrorists. It's all too easy to judge from our comfortable wealth how the poor and oppressed act in their anger and depsaration. That's not to say I agree with or condone their actions -- but "subhuman?" I'd sooner use the phrase for the late Jeffrey Dahmer, but I basically wouldn't use it at all.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
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... you use Nazi analogies with enough frequency ...

I repeat, nobody has used the phrase on anyone to whom it does not apply. You OTOH call certain blacks Uncle Toms and have no shame in doing so. Sheesh!

If the deliberate killing of innocent civilians is not subhuman behavior, I don't know what is. Poverty and oppression have NOTHING to do with it. I don't see the Christians in Sudan turning into suicide killers.

Evie

if you had a $ for every unreported action that contravened the geneva convention/rules of war/soldiers rules or whatever rule book you want to use, you could stop working today!!

**** happens, it's unexcusable, but IMO unavoidable...

my personal opinion? i blame the cumb dunts who A: took photos,(and by association took part in the festivities) and B: made sure they reached the press!

there is no "right or wrong" here, what happened was a "wrong" but if anybody uses it to say "we told you so" or "we told you Bush was a nazi/fascist/egomaniac" then that is a "wrong" also and should be stopped...

Do you think that possibly, these American women being overseas and seeing how their gender is treated by Islamic men, thinking of it as degrading, decided this activity was a way of "getting back" at those type men?

It probably is more difficult for the American women soldiers to operate within this "culture" and not have built some resentments against the Islamic concepts of the role of women in their society.

... as in Saudi Arabia, I could see this possibly being a motivation. But I don't see where our troops in Iraq have been living by Iraqi customs. In the case of SA it might be a bit of defiance/backlash, in this case if the motive is payback it is still NOT excusable, sorry.

Evie

because many of your posts have shown a marked lack of respect for Muslims, citizens of Israel, religious Christians here in this forum, and Germans.

The "root of the problem" is the peacenick demonstrators confusing the issues and dehumanization as a coping mechanism by those who feel that those who should be supporting them are not.

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Hi, J.

How about the CIA and contract "interrogators" that supposedly put the guards up to it as a way to "gain needed intelligence," and haven't even been mentioned in the investigation? What does this say about our denials of claims of mistreatment of prisoners at Guantanamo -- do you think the world now believes those denials? The soldiers may be in deep doodoo, but no deeper than our plan to win the hearts and minds of freedom-loving Muslims. BTW, I certainly don't believe that Bush knew about this, and I believe his sense of revulsion is sincere. But that won't even begin to put this genie back in the bottle. to this point, there have been two main differences between this war and VietNam. First, while the majority of the world didn't agree with our invasion, they (and I) certainly agree the world is on balance better off without Saddam (though whether Iraq truly is remains to be seen). And second, as opposed to VietNam, we appeared to be bending over backwards to honor the Geneva Conventions. That second difference just vanished in a glare of publicity.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

While unfortunately you're correct that many in the world (who like some present are looking for anything to critize America), will not accept that this is anything but condoned by superior ranks and commanders and American public. I don't believe that is truth.

Are there prejudices? sure, no one is without prejudice, the challenge is to recognize it in yourself and control that before you worry about the rest.

And why must at every opportunity Vietnam be dragged in as a poster representation of this conflict and as defacto proof America is wrong?

How about the CIA and contract "interrogators" that supposedly put the guards up to it as a way to "gain needed intelligence," and haven't even been mentioned in the investigation?

I've missed that in the news, interesting allegations, I suspect the CIA would have reserved any questionable activities to it's own operatives, if they engaged in any at all.

A great wrong, and unfortunately it will probably fuel another great wrong in assuming all Americans would act the same by those that dislike us anyway.

RogerNC

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You still have not bothered to read the conventions and from this latest crap you have posted it would appear that you do not even realize that the few excerpts you have pointed to that others have pointed out to you are NOT the 4th Convention that was in effect throughoput Vietnam but were a PROTOCOL of 1977 (try your best to remember the last year we were deployed to Vietnam).