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Disgusted by the blatant cheek of this/these criminal/s

by SteveGargini / July 1, 2004 12:42 PM PDT

I got this in my e-mail -
What I would like to know is which FBI address to send the e-mail to. I understand from what the FBI have said before that they would investigate this sort of criminal activity.

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They don't.
by Kiddpeat / July 1, 2004 1:00 PM PDT

When I got fooled by one of these, the FBI's receptionist gave me a checklist of things to do. They did not take a report.

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I am quite surprised KP
by SteveGargini / July 1, 2004 1:10 PM PDT
In reply to: They don't.

That they took that line with you.
Perhaps they got inundated with e-mails from the public since the criminal/s would use mass mailing as a tool of the trade.
I will obviously ignore the e-mail but I bet there are a few old folks out there who would fall straight into the trap.
Thanks anyway.

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It is called "phishing"
by Dick White / July 1, 2004 1:47 PM PDT

and is more common than you would ever like to know. Usually, the bank or organization that is being framed will take immediate action to find the ISP hosting the website where the fraudulent site is located and have the site closed. For the rest of end users, simply be aware that it is fake and do not respond.


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Re: Disgusted by the blatant cheek of this/these criminal/s
by Edward ODaniel / July 1, 2004 2:35 PM PDT

You don't contact the FBI, you contact the specific bank targeted (in this case CitiBank) and fill in their form with necessary info. In this case submitting the source code and header info makes more sense than submitting the body text as it uses a form to send the info to this address

The following indicates the liklihood of any successful action against the originator:

inetnum: -
netname: CHINATELECOM-he
descr: CHINANET hebei province network
descr: China Telecom
descr: No.31,jingrong street
descr: Beijing 100032
country: CN
admin-c: CH93-AP
tech-c: BR3-AP
changed: 20030820
source: APNIC

person: Chinanet Hostmaster
address: No.31 ,jingrong street,beijing
address: 100032
country: CN
phone: +86-10-66027112
fax-no: +86-10-58501144
nic-hdl: CH93-AP
changed: 20021016
remarks: hostmaster is not for spam complaint, please send spam complaint to
source: APNIC

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Thanks Edward -

I shall send all the details to CitiBank.
I hope nobody has been badly hit by this fraud.

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Re: Thanks Edward -
by Mark G / July 2, 2004 4:33 AM PDT
In reply to: Thanks Edward -

steve can you email me?
heres a 1 time useage email

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Also, you are apt to get another...
by Edward ODaniel / July 1, 2004 3:04 PM PDT

for Citibank that is also making the rounds that has the following body:

{starts with a graphic located on citibank's own servers}
Recently there have been a large number of identity theft attempts targeting Citibank customers. In order to safeguard your account, we require that you update your Citibank ATM/Debit card PIN.

This update is requested of you as a precautionary measure against fraud. Please note that we have no particular indications that your details have been compromised in any way.

This process is mandatory, and if not completed within the nearest time your account may be subject to temporary suspension.

Please make sure you have your Citibank ATM/Debit card and recent statement at hand.

To securely update your Citibank ATM/Debit card PIN please go to: this is false and the link actually takes you to this location and through its Verify directory which initiates a secure connection (to assure you that all is on the up and up) which is at it is safe to go there but DO NOT SIGN IN!

Please note that this update applies to your Citibank ATM/Debit card - which is linked directly to your checking account, not Citibank credit cards.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter and thank you for using Citibank!


Sherman Champagne
Head of Citi

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Re: The blatant cheek -- not just online:
by SE Moderators / July 2, 2004 4:24 AM PDT

This was posted to an investment Listserv to which I belong a couple of months ago:

The following really happened to some friends. Please stay on the alert!

Subject: Credit Card Scam ~ here's a doozie...

"We all receive emails all the time regarding one scam or another; but last
week I REALLY DID get scammed! Both VISA and MasterCard told me that this
scam is currently being worked throughout the Midwest, with some variance as
to the product or amount, and if you are called, just hang up.

My husband was called on Wednesday from "VISA" and I was called in Thursday
from "MasterCard." It worked like this: Person calling says, "This is Carl
Patterson and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud department at VISA. My
Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase
pattern, and I'm calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card issued by
5/3 bank. Did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for $497.99 from a
marketing company based in Arizona?"

When you say "No". The caller continues with, "Then we will be issuing a
credit to your account. This is a company we have been watching and the
charges range from $297 to $497, just under the $500 purchase pattern that
flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to
(gives you your address), is that correct?"

You say, "Yes." The caller continues..."I will be starting a fraud
investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 800 number
listed on your card (1-800-VISA) and ask for Security. You will need to refer
to this Control #". Then he gives you a 6 digit number. "Do you need me to
read it again?" Caller then says he "needs to verify you are in possession of
your card. Turn the card over. There are 7 numbers; first 4 are 1234
(whatever), the next 3 are the security numbers that verify you are in
possession of the card. These are the numbers you use to make Internet
purchases to prove you have the card. Read me the 3 numbers." Then he
says "That is correct. I just needed to verify that the card has not been
lost or stolen, and that you still have your card. Do you have any other
questions? Don't hesitate to call back if you do."

You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the card
number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20
minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA security dept.
told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase of $497.99
WAS put on our card.

Long story made short...we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA card
and they are reissuing as a new number. What the scam wants is the 3 digit
number and that once the charge goes through, they keep charging every few
days. By the time you get your statement, you think the credit is coming, and
then its harder to actually file a fraud report. The real VISA reinforced
that they will never ask for anything on the card (they already know).

What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from "Jason
Richardson of MasterCard" with a word for word repeat of the VISA Scam. This
time I didn't let him finish. I hung up.

We filed a police report (as instructed by VISA), and they said they are
taking several of these reports daily and to tell friends, relatives and

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