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Disgraced NJ resigned Gov. Mc Greevey has spoken

by netsky / November 8, 2004 2:42 AM PST

On Fox, winding up now.

How was his speech to your ears?

Is he re-graced at all?

Or is it an embarrasing, shedding of dignity, in public, again?

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Re: Disgraced NJ resigned Gov. Mc Greevey has spoken
by TONI H / November 8, 2004 2:50 AM PST

It makes no difference to me that he is a gay American....it DOES however make a difference just as it does with straights that your private life cannot be mingled with your duty as a government official to where you make decisions based on your own personal attitudes and desires rather than the will of the people who have elected you.

He did a good job as Governor......until he tried to hide at the end what was happening on a personal level in order to probably protect his family and not necessarily to cover his ***. Once he made the decision to come out to his family, he continued on with good political decisions. There were many who didn't want him to resign even after this all came to light because he was a good Governor and did much for his state.


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in my view it is not even a gay thing
by netsky / November 8, 2004 3:15 AM PST

it is about neoptism. It is about him putting up to an ---important position--- of public trust a person utterly without qualifications for that job.

in my view McGreevey's shame is in abrogating the public trust, utterly.

for this alone i condemn him and say he was a bad governor, ranking his place in history despite all other goods he may have done.

even if his concubine had been handed a low-profile, unimportant job in his administraton it is still the same evil action: selfish elevation of egotistical want, over the public wheal and a spit into the face of Fair Play

His disgrace, then is not about sex or sexuality or cheating on his family at all, then. It is about cheating on the public trust.

---NB: i caught only the last few minutes of McGreevey's speech. I'll look to find the full text on line and if i see it, i'll post it up here for my fuller benefit of understanding that handsome, charming, apologetic(?) disgraced man. He sure sounded good and "i can forgive" if he did fully disclose this angle i play here: shaming Fair Play, not mere breaking of regulations of law or monogamy.

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I agree.
by EdH / November 8, 2004 3:20 AM PST

Earth shifting on axis?

Admitting to the gay affair was in my opinion an attempt to distract the focus and gain sympathy. And it worked to a large degree.

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Re: I agree....I also do
by TONI H / November 8, 2004 3:38 AM PST
In reply to: I agree.

which is why I said that he let his personal life rule the decision making part and he was right to step down. I guess I confused my statement by commenting that up until then, he did a good job as Governor.


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they force it
by netsky / November 8, 2004 8:25 AM PST

the concubine forced out the truth.

that chiseling or scorned 'woman' man.

yes- then the media focus turned entirely to the MEAT of the matter, the sizzle that gains sponsor dollars: it'a GAY thing and he put his uh "girlfriend" in office. Crap!

even if it were hetero cheating and hetero neoptism, that's identically impeachable... but so much more JUICE to the story this way.

In the aftermath of falling into the trap of his own making McGreevey seems to have done what he HAD to do: apologize all around and yes, play UP the gay thing and come clean about that.

Having not yet read the speech i still don't know if he has apologized for the CRIME against public trust... all i caught was the last few minutes, hearing him talk about "as a gay American" blah blah and it was touching, but i'm not fooled by shape-shifters either.


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Re: I agree....I also do
by Josh K / November 8, 2004 10:21 PM PST

Most of the people I've talked to (and yes, that's mostly Democrats) have zero sympathy for McGreevey. They don't think he did such a great job as governor and they found the act of putting his unqualified boyfriend in charge of Homeland Security inexcusable. Most also thought he should have left office sooner so an interim election could be held.

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Not so sure about the 'good Governor' assessment ...
by Evie / November 8, 2004 10:28 PM PST

... I'm not a NJ resident, nor am I a Democrat (obviously!), but I do listen to NY talk radio that covers NJ politics quite a bit. McGreevy's approval ratings have oscillated between low and abysmal throughout his term ... this in a "blue state" that would presumably be predisposed to like and support him.

This man is shamelessly trying to play the "gay card" to cover corruption.

Evie Happy

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You're ignorant of the facts
by Dan McC / November 8, 2004 11:54 PM PST

He hasn't tried to cover up anything. He's taken full responsibility (something the president might try doing at least once in his life) and apologized. It was pretty straight forward.


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and while your on your soapbox tell the loser
by Mark5019 / November 9, 2004 12:34 AM PST

release records (kerry) incase you forgoten as you still bush bashing such sore losers repeat after me kerry was a loser you lost election.

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(NT) (NT) This is laughable.
by Evie / November 9, 2004 12:40 AM PST
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(NT) (NT) depending on the personality, entirely
by netsky / November 9, 2004 10:40 AM PST
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Re: You're ignorant of the facts
by Josh K / November 9, 2004 12:53 AM PST
He hasn't tried to cover up anything.

We don't really know that and we may never have all the facts, as the harrassment lawsuit filed by his lover was dropped. I also don't think McGreevey has acknowledged that his lover was not qualified for the job he was given.

Luckily the voters were able to separate this bit of business from the more urgent business of the election, and the state went "Blue" anyway.
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I didn't hear it.
by James Denison / November 9, 2004 10:38 AM PST

Don't care to hear it.
Not from New Jersey.
Don't live in New Jersey.
Last visited there in the 80's
He's not my governor, nor was.
His problems don't affect me.
Imagine those Fox "bigots" letting him on their channel.
(above line is sarcasm)

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i heard only part. here is the text
by netsky / November 9, 2004 10:48 AM PST
In reply to: I didn't hear it.

agree with your points

"Imagine those Fox "bigots" letting him on their channel.
(above line is sarcasm)"

It was news and it was interesting and well-enough delivered i guess. It's always interesting to see person self destruct and give a parting speech in his aftermath. Particularly in a pecadillo of this magnitude so McGrievously McMade.

(above line is sarcasm too and with a grin)


McGreevey's Farewell Address to his constituency:

"Thank you so much my friends. There is no possible way you can understand fully how much your kindness just now has meant to me. Thank you so much for your generosity of spirit. In fact, I have been simply overwhelmed by the extraordinary manifestations of unconditional love, compassion and concern that I have been shown by the citizens of this great state since Aug. 12.

Farewells through the years have served to say thank-you, to look back at accomplishments and to reminisce about good times and bad; they have been used to celebrate victories and to assuage defeats. And while farewells by their very definition encompass a sense of separation, loss and sadness, they also signify new beginnings and are used to paint visions for the future. All farewells are unique and this is not an exception. In this instance, however, there is a requirement not only for all of those qualities, but also for an apology.

I have to begin today with humility by simply saying I am sorry -- so, so sorry that mistakes in my judgment made this day necessary for all of us. I am sorry that my actions have hurt those that I love in my personal and political lives. I am sorry to those who vested their careers with me that this abrupt transition has caused them upheaval. And I am sorry that I have disappointed the citizens of the state of New Jersey who gave me this enormous trust. To be clear, I am not apologizing for being a gay American, but rather, for having let personal feelings impact my decision-making and for not having had the courage to be open about whom I was.

You see, today I stand before you as a changed man. Aeschylus said, 'In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.' Like the psalmist of old, I have asked God to 'create in me a clean heart' and to 'renew a right spirit within me.' I stand before you as a man who has experienced the freedom that comes with the truth -- claiming that promise, 'the truth will set you free.' Just as Lincoln said that house divided against itself cannot stand, so it is true with a person. A divided self is not an integrated self. And so as I have been preparing for this day I have been doing some mending in my soul. I so want the words of my mouth and the actions of my hands and the thoughts of my heart to be one and the same thing. That brings proper alignment, something true and whole.

Having apologized and shared these recent reflections, I would like to take a minute to indulge in some offers of gratitude and look back and celebrate what you in this room have accomplished.

I want to thank those in the Legislature and state government, in both parties, who over the years I have gotten to know and to engage. The ideal common ground has been a genuine and passionate commitment to serve and give their gifts to this state. Even in the most jaded and cynical moments, I have never doubted that they each one came to this place with a firm conviction that their deeply held beliefs would make this state a better place. It has been a joy to serve with them. Thank you my friends for the honor of working with you over all these years.

To the Democratic Party and my political allies of many years, thank you for your faith, your trust and your vision that has enabled us together to create change and be a positive force in the state of New Jersey. I am now and I always will be proud to be part of our party.

And to my staff and Cabinet, you have been simply amazing. I haven't always made it easy, I know. But you, you worked at a fever pitch and you have accomplished so much. This day, this untimely departure, this farewell should not and does not take away in the least from the good, good work that you did.

After all, together we created greater economic opportunities for working families and brought redevelopment to Camden, Asbury Park, the Meadowlands and Atlantic City. We consolidated job-training programs and brought training to 100,000 residents.

We made education a cornerstone with reading coaches, higher teacher standards, over $8 billion for new schools, the New Jersey After 3 program and the New Jersey Stars program.

We began the process of restructuring DYFS so that our most vulnerable children would be protected.

We worked to pass the Highlands legislation and preserved more acres of farmland in one year than has ever been done.

We provided property tax relief to the 2 million New Jersey residents who need it most -- our seniors and middle-class families.

We helped to bring more decency and equality to our state, flying in the face of national trends, with our new law to honor committed domestic partnerships with respect, rights and benefits.

We invested in the hope of medical research by helping create legislation to allow stem cell research, making New Jersey the first state to create a state-sponsored stem cell research institute.

We fixed systems like EZPass and motor vehicle services. We even took down the first toll barriers on the Parkway.

We brought more competition and more choices to New Jersey drivers by bringing Geico and Mercury General back to New Jersey and lowering rates for good drivers.

I could go on listing things but suffice it to say, I am so proud of you. Thank you for all that you have done and will continue to do. It has been my great honor and pleasure to serve this state alongside of you all.

So now, looking forward. Ends are beginnings. When I first ran for public office, it was with the passion and idealism of a young man who believed that government could help make our lives better, that public service was a calling and that citizenship demanded responsibilities. There was a greater good. As one who has given years and years to public service and whose career in that sector careened off the tracks, I have had time to reflect about the idealism of my youth as I think about next steps for me. And in my taking stock these past several months, face to mirror, so to speak, I can't help but share a few thoughts from that private internal conversation.

It is so important to look inside ourselves to make sure that power does not became an end in itself and that differing ideas do not become polarized self-righteous ideologies. I look with increasing horror, along with a growing number of other Americans, at the great and bitter division that is taking place in our politics and the cynicism that is the end result of power for power's sake. We are losing sight of civility in government and politics. Debate and dialogue is taking a back seat to the politics of destruction and anger and control. Dogma has replaced thoughtful discussion between people of differing views.

And so we can't hear each other. Instead we mark our territory. We don't find nuance in ideas. Instead we cut deals. We smile in person and then throw each other under the bus when we leave the room. In this context, public service can be reduced to a blood sport. And the selves in the ring are more often than not divided souls. Trust me, I am not seeking to avoid my own contributions at times to this division. Looking back, it is most likely what I regret the most over my years in politics. You see, we are all complicit.

So is all hope lost? Of course not. We need to remind ourselves that we are blessed here in this country with the precious freedoms we enjoy. We must also recognize our responsibility to preserve these liberties. The history of America is to expand civil liberties in a responsible and civil manner. We need to remember that our wonderful Democracy with its freedoms has been working. It worked this past week, not to all of our liking, but it worked. The process is in place. But if it is to change for the better, we need people who will stand up and take responsibility for harsh rhetoric and the politics of anger. It will take leaders who know the limits and pitfalls of unbridled power. It will take leaders with conviction, yes, but that understand their own finite nature. We need to seek wise leaders who will seek common ground among Americans instead of dividing us further for political gain. As citizens, we must embrace those who embrace ideas, thoughtfulness, civility and kindness to others no matter what their political beliefs.

I urge you, my fellow citizens, to seek those who will build bridges between us. Those who do not need to shout in order to be heard. We must have leaders who value their words as much as they do their actions and who, above all, believe in their heart what they say and do. I urge the people of this state to be in the forefront of ending this great division that is taking such a toll on this nation. Demand good and effective government from wise leaders who speak softly with great ideas, who inspire people to work together for a common purpose. We as a nation have done this in the past and I know we can do it again.

With these thoughts then, I begin my own new journey as an American who just happens to be gay and proud. I don't look back with bitterness, anger or sorrow. I look forward to seeking knowledge, a journey of self-discovery and finding ways to contribute my gifts to those to whom they could be helpful. I won't dwell on what might have been and instead have been focused on what's possible. You see, as Kipling said, '... I have met with triumph and disaster' ... and as he hoped, I realize that those two impostors are just the same. So I will dare to dream, but this time, not let the dream by my master.

I again thank you and this blessed state for the opportunity to serve and for your decency toward me during this painful journey. I ask you to continue to offer your conviction and resolve for the vision of a resplendent country, and yet, the sweat and perseverance of your labor to bring that hope to fruition.

Dr. King is a man who has inspired me all my life. His words have passed the test of time. As I have sorted through the challenges of the last couple of months, these words have inspired me to have hope and embrace the challenges ahead of me. Dr. King said: 'If you lose hope, somehow you lose the vitality that keeps life moving, you lose that courage to be, that quality that helps you to go on in spite of all. And so today I still have a dream.'

Thank you so much. That is all I can say thank you so much."

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by netsky / November 9, 2004 10:58 AM PST

Vetting the speech in its entirety i can only say to his benefit, that he looked fetching on camera and spoke warmly...of himself.

He rides the coattails of great-others. He admits no specific wrongs. He makes banalities sound like heartfelt sentiments.

The most key clue that this is an empty vessel speaking comes in the second paragraph:

"I have to begin today with humility by simply saying I am sorry -- so, so sorry that mistakes in my judgment made this day necessary for all of us."

Really he is sorry he got found out in his lies and manipulations say i. It would have shown greater character if he did ot say "so sorry..etc" but instead said: "my lapses of good judgement brought all this on my head. This tragedy i created need not have happened. Had I been more honest to myself, to my wife, to my family, to my state; and had i been more honest to the ideals upon which this Nation is foundationed; if i had been more true to all these things i would not speak so empty and self-abased today. I have shamed myself and every American."

Someday pigs will learn to fly too!

Which gives me thought for a new topic. Watch your local browser for a new-nothing from Mcmarvelously unMcmitigated netsky.

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go here for what i originally intended for a stand-alone
by netsky / November 9, 2004 1:58 PM PST
In reply to: disgusted
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What a swan song!
by James Denison / November 11, 2004 2:19 PM PST

I bet his acceptance speech when he was elected wasn't that long! Whatever happened to "Goodbye"? People don't even go off that long saying goodbye to a loved one, even before shipping off to war. Their letters back home barely mightbe that long, but it's to a loved one. This is just resigning a public position. How many resignation speeches can one person make? I guess he knows how to make several. I know he felt he needed to explain himself. He could have saved everyone including himself the trouble.

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Re: I didn't hear it.
by cbbrown / November 9, 2004 10:49 AM PST
In reply to: I didn't hear it.

"Imagine those Fox "bigots" letting him on their channel."

It should have been clear long ago that "fair and balanced" fox will do anything for bucks/ratings.

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Re: I didn't hear it.
by Roger NC / November 9, 2004 10:51 AM PST
In reply to: Re: I didn't hear it.
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hush yo' chillun!
by netsky / November 9, 2004 11:02 AM PST
In reply to: Re: I didn't hear it.

We are united here for a common cause: Bash the guy what debased the principles of democracy for neoptistic excess, then draped himself in platitudes and brought in the gay pride flag to swaddle his han'some, vain self.

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Ah, there's hope yet.
by James Denison / November 11, 2004 2:30 PM PST
In reply to: hush yo' chillun!

You seemingly can't stand a drama queen more than I can.

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Re: Ah, there's hope yet.
by netsky / November 11, 2004 2:35 PM PST
In reply to: Ah, there's hope yet.

look here and in all honesty, as always, i have no agenda towards g- anything except something more than a parody of parity.

My interests are: truth, justice, american way, core values, decency in internet communications and the occasional pair of dropped trousers add much mirth and pro-creative cream to my usual coffee in the morning.

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Re: I didn't hear it.
by cbbrown / November 9, 2004 11:08 AM PST
In reply to: Re: I didn't hear it.

If he was not retiring in a couple of months interview the next despot ruler of a country that this administration will go after like they did in Iraq?

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He'll make a pilgrimage to Arafat's tomb
by James Denison / November 11, 2004 2:39 PM PST
In reply to: Re: I didn't hear it.

Then he'll moan about how much it would aid Middle East peace if those Isrealis would be more "humane" and "understanding" and allow Arafat's corpse to be cozied up next to God's Holy Hill beside ancient Isreali kings.

Personally, I don't know why anyone wants to be buried there since in OT God angrily admonished the Jews already for allowing dead bodies to be buried against the walls of his house. Nope, don't want my carcass there when I'm gone. No need to get on His bad side come ressurection day.

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