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Desktop Upgrade Help - Please.

Sep 25, 2006 2:53AM PDT

Hey Everyone - Okay I have decided to hold of a few months untill buying a new laptop to replace my Tempremental Dell D600 (1.6 Centrino / 32Meg Video card / 512MB card.) In the meantime though, I would like to use something a little more powerful than my current setup to play a few games (TW2006 / TW2007; NFS; C&C, AOE3, HL2, BF2, etc.) Luckily I have been given older desktop system to use - This is what it is a 2002 HP Pavillion running a (I think it is a 1.4 ghz) Celeron Processor; 256MB Ram; onboard 64MB videocard; 40GBHD + 2 external 80GB USB 2.0 HDs and a Dell 17" LCD monitor. As far as I can see in order to run the games I have mentioned - I need to upgrade only 2 componenets over here - the video memory and RAM. Considering I am going to buy a notebook post Christmas - I don't want to spend too much and my budget is between $100 - $150 for the entire upgrade. I am fairly certain that this desktop does not have a PCI Express Slot so I think I would need an AGP card. After doing some reserach on Newegg.com; I have come across a Saphire ATI 9600XT 4X/8X AGP with 256MB ram for $63.00 - $10.00 Rebate. 1 Gig for Kingston Value Ram for $85.00. So that brings the total to about $138 which is within my budget. So the questions are as follows and as always I would really appreciate your inputs and suggestions.

1. Will the above video card and ram be compatible with the celeron system?

2. Is there a website that can check my computers Specs out by running some software and figure out what exactly I can upgrage and give product recommendations?

3. Am I upgrading too much or upgrading the wrong components; i.e. The Celeron processor will bottleneck the performance and speed of the AGP and extra Ram. If so, should I downgrade to a 128MB video card and 512MB ram? Or should I look to upgrade the motherboard/CPU?

4. Can you recommend any cards similar in performance/price to the 9600XT? I would'nt mind spending a little more money - for eg. X1300 and GeForce 6600 cards are $85 if I can see the added performance.

5. Is there a good indepth upgrade FAQ or guide that you could recommend?

Thanks Once again!

Vcash13

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Don't get ahead of yourself
Sep 25, 2006 4:26AM PDT

The first thing you should do is to open the case and make sure that you even have an AGP Port, Sometimes on Motherboards that have an On Board Video setup, the agp port is left off. So Make sure that you have that. You can get the Brand and Serial number of the Motherboard while your in there and search for it online to see what AGP speeds you can support, if you have a port. There is no sense in buying a 8X card for this machine if the highest it will do is 2X or 4X. So far as memory goes, you can never really have too much. With Memory and a new Vid card you would notice a performance increase, but realize the system you are starting out with is dated and will have its limitations.

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(NT) More Details on System
Sep 25, 2006 10:48AM PDT

Hi- Thanks for the Input - I have not opened up the case yet but I found some information in HP website about the computer - It is a Pavillion 554Y with 2.0Ghz Celeron Processor with 256MB of Ram. The Video adapter is an Intel 82845 with 64MB of video Memory. The motherboard is a Trigem Intel 845GL. The Socket Type is mPGA478 which supports Pentium 4s (Willamette) and Celeron (Northwood). It has a 400Mhz FSB. It supports upto 2GB of Memory. Unfortunatley it states that there is no AGP connector. The case form factor is a uATX.

Here is a picture of the Exact Motherboard -

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&cc=us&dlc=&product=299504&docname=bph07813

With this information - What do you think is my best option to upgrade - I assume an external card is not possible on this mobo and I need to get a Mobo that can support a graphics card and hopefully the same processor or maybe another processor. Again, I am trying to keep this upgrade closest to $150 dollars. Your recommendations would be very helpful. Thanks.

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My suggestion
Sep 25, 2006 9:34PM PDT

If you trying to keep the costs on the low, and dont want to spend too much, I recommend the memory upgrade to at least 512MB if not 1 GB. If your budget is $150 then hunting down a new motherboard that would work with your processor and a video card along with the memory might blow your budget. If you are willing to do it and can find one, you could always get a PCI Video card. Remember that the AGP Bus has a through put of 64 bit, and the PCI Bus has a through put of 32 bit. You could probably find one on the cheap. I would suggest going to like tigerdirect or pricewatch and finding a Mobo to go with that processor, memory, and vid card and trying to keep it under your budget.

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Thanks for the Suggestion
Sep 26, 2006 1:02AM PDT

As of now I have one of two options - Please help me decide on which route to go and which combination will give me the most performance for the buck.

Option 1:
1. XFX Geforce FX5200 256MB 128-bit DDR PCI Video Card - $63.00
or SAPPHIRE Radeon 9250 256MB 128-bit DDR PCI Video Card - $46.99

2. Kingston HyperX 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Desktop Memory - $65
or Kingston ValueRAM 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) - $54.99

3. Intel Pentium 4 2.8B Northwood 2.8GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket 478 Processor - $70 (I could not find any Willamette P4 Processors - Will the Northwood P4 be compatible?)

Total: Between $172 - $198 depending on exact options.

Option 2.
1. Keep the Existing Processor - Celeron Northwood 2.0Ghz

2. ECS 661GX-M 1.0B Socket 478 SiS 661GX Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - $39.99 (It has an AGP Slot + 400Mhz FSB but says it only supports Intel Pentium 4 Prescott/Celeron) - If this is the wrong mobo for the existing Celeron - Could someone please post a model/make I should look at?

3. Kingston HyperX 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Desktop Memory - $65
or Kingston ValueRAM 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) - $108.00

4. POWERCOLOR Radeon X700 256MB 128-bit GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X 8 Pixels - $95.00
Or eVGA Geforce 6600GT 128MB 128-bit GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X - $96.00
Or SAPPHIRE Radeon 9600XT 256MB 128-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card - $53

Total: Between $158 - $243 Depending on options.

Option 3
A combination of the above two and/or your suggestions for a different setup.

Also, With any of these changes will I need a bigger power supply or additional components or whatever is in the HP will Suffice. Again, Trying to keep this as close to the $150 amount as I can but I am flexible with this and all prices are off Newegg so If I browse around I could probably get 10 - 15% cheaper prices. I look forward to your suggestions! Thanks.

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I need a little more information
Sep 26, 2006 11:13PM PDT

What kind of games are you intending to play with this machine? If it is something with a high frame rate it would be worth the time and trouble to bump the processor up to the P4. I recommend a bigger video card and memory based on the type of games your going to be playing. I will try to help you keep the price down as much as I can but in the end it will be worth it.

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This is what I am thinking of doing.
Sep 27, 2006 3:47AM PDT

Okay - This is what I am thinking of doing for now:

1. Ordering a BFG GeForce FX 5500 PCI 256MB card from Compusa for $50.00 (After $50.00 Mfgr Rebate)

2. Upgrading Ram by 512MB to 640MB - $60.00

3. Snapping these two components in - running it and if the games work to where I like them - No more upgrade otherwise time for the P4.

Lastly - Can I see some benchmark results for the FX5500 anywhere or read any reviews or hear your experiences before I pick it up from Compusa? BFG also makes a FX 6200 with 128 MB ram Lastly - Can I see some benchmark results for the FX5500 anywhere or read any reviews or hear your experiences before I pick it up from Compusa? BFG also makes a FX 6200 with 128 MB - But its $100 more than the 5500 - Is it really worth the extra performance:

I downloaded CPU-Z and this is the information I get

Processor: Celeron
Codename: Northwood
Core Speed: 1999Mhz
Brand ID: 10
Package: Socket 478 mPGA
Rated FSB: 400Mhz

Mainboard: Northwood/Brookdale - G Va
Chipset: Intel i845GL

My question is what P4s will be compatible with this socket/mainboard? Do I need to look for a P4 that is Northbridge and supports 400Mhz FSB or can I get something that supports a higher FSB?

As For the Games:
I just went on Amazon and orderd the following games -

1. Call of Duty - Game of the Year Edition
2. NFS: Most Wanted
3. Far Cry
4. HL2: Episode One

I think these and buying COD Expansion, COD 2 and Tiger Woods 2007 will be all my game purchases for the year untill I buy a new machine early next year. Should I cancel my order on any of these because they will not run or run really crappy? I own HL2 now and I have played it on my Dell D600 Centrino with ATI 9000PRO 64MB Card (Till it fried and was replaced by a 32MB card and then it was pointless playing HL2) and 512MB RAM - While I was not happy with the performance; I can say that it wasn't that bad either. In terms of performance increase - what can I expect from the current setup and BFG FX5500 video card? - 25%? 50%? Less or More? Thanks.

P.S. What do you think is the best PCI Video card out there?

Thanks Alot!