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Demonstrators, protestors to pay for police time.

Feb 6, 2017 12:11PM PST

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do you believe there can be....
Feb 6, 2017 12:26PM PST

....any unlawful assemblies? Clue "peacefully".

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I've seen it all.
Feb 6, 2017 12:30PM PST

I'm not a dinosaur but the moves/laws/edicts do make me say there is an erosion of rights we enjoyed.

I guess this will be interesting. Some group assembles, the police show up and bill the group.

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(NT) Erosion is the keyword.
Feb 6, 2017 2:43PM PST
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Rights and Responsibilties go together
Feb 6, 2017 4:16PM PST

Too many protestors are concerned with "rights" but unwilling to also take on "responsibilities", often preferring someone else doing that part for them.

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I'm afraid we might also see an increase in
Feb 6, 2017 8:58PM PST

counter demonstrations, with weapons.

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that's what happened in Germany
Feb 7, 2017 2:38AM PST

Everyone talks about the brown shirts and Nazis, but it began as a reaction to anarchists and the communist international, Spartacus group, and others who were trying to take over Germany. The Nazis promised to clean it up and bring back law and order. What might be the Devil or the Deep Blue Sea choice then. The one extreme leads to the other as a corrective measure. The sooner the corrective action happens, the less the extremes.

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"Sooner" often means more forceful; pendelum doesn't stop.
Feb 7, 2017 1:41PM PST

Well ... it can't happen here ...

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(NT) Pendulum
Feb 8, 2017 5:47AM PST
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Why stop there?
Feb 6, 2017 12:46PM PST

Commit a crime...go to prison...get a bill for you custody/maintenance?

What happens if/when you don't/can't pay?

That's it...we're kicking you out of prison for non-payment?

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I see road gangs here in North Florida
Feb 6, 2017 4:17PM PST

Down here for awhile and all the road workers are in "prison orange" in Bay County. Sign is put on side of road when a gang is picking up garbage and whacking the weeds.

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RE:road gangs here in North Florida
Feb 7, 2017 4:32AM PST

road gang?...wouldn't being on the road gang be a reward for good behavior?

Out in public, away from all those prisoners....seeing civilians, hearing cars, emptying(drinking) half-full beer cans found on the side of the road?

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actually some states do send a bill
Feb 9, 2017 1:52PM PST

some states do require prisoners to pay for their incarceration. it follows them when they get out until it is paid.

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I disagree with that approach
Feb 9, 2017 4:40PM PST

It puts a burden on them after leaving which will encourage them to turn again to crime to pay the bill, same as drug addicts do to pay for their drugs. If depriving someone of their freedoms, we should be willing to foot the bill for it. That's one thing that adds some control to considering how many we will keep locked up and who should remain locked up vs who is safe to release.

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it is their fault
Feb 9, 2017 5:21PM PST

they should have thought about it before doing the crime.

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RE: it follows them when they get out until it is paid.
Feb 9, 2017 7:50PM PST

I can see some refusing to leave...

You're free to leave...

NO! NO!...I don't want to go...

GET OUT!!!!

OK>>>but I'll be back...I'm not going to pay what I owe....

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And eventually we're back to debtors' prisons.
Feb 10, 2017 2:57AM PST

I was taught they were counterproductive.

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correct, and the same principle applies
Feb 10, 2017 5:42AM PST

to take someone's freedom away and then expect him to pay for it. As for arresting them, then making them pay, that's the same as a "fine", and won't put a huge money burden on them.

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And eventually we're back to debtors' prisons.
Feb 10, 2017 2:57AM PST

I was taught they were counterproductive.

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There is a huge difference between
Feb 6, 2017 1:18PM PST

peaceful protests and burning down the town and destroying property, including police cars, blocking access to roads and businesses....it's about damn time they are forced to pay up. If the protests are lawful, it means they actually got PERMITS to do so....you don't storm a mall or an airport and cause chaos forcing extra police to show up and be peacekeepers because it takes them away from doing their jobs elsewhere. How do you see this as a 'dangerous precedent'? If you need a permit to hold a parade, you need one for a protest as well....spontaneity is usually out of anger and anger leads to destruction of OTHER people's property nearly every time and it's gone on for far too long. Even Rahm Emanuel admitted the other night publicly that the 'Ferguson effect' has gone on for too long and needs to end....too bad so many on the left keep encouraging it rather than condemning it.

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RE: Demonstrators, protestors to pay
Feb 9, 2017 7:43AM PST

And Trump should pay out of his own pocket for

Trump to sign executive order to investigate widespread voter fraud,

All 50 states and the District of Columbia finalized their election results with no reports of the fraud that U.S. President Donald Trump alleges.

It's not like his "birther" claims where he SAID he had investigations carried out..;. and found evidence...He didn't have anyone investigating that AND HE didn't pay anyone for anything...

In this case, HE is having the American taxpayers pay for an investigation into HIS fantasy....

Make the person making the allegation pay......

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Yep...liberals keep saying it
Feb 9, 2017 10:09AM PST

hoping nobody will find out how much fraud there really IS going on........there has been enough proof already over the past few elections (local, State, and Federal types) that a REAL investigation IS warranted finally. AND a new bill needs to be passed into law that takes the Southern States' election laws out of the hands of the Federal Government's jurisdiction. It's long overdue.

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TheRUMP CLAIMS
Feb 9, 2017 11:29AM PST

because someone is registered as a 'eligible voter" in more than ONE place they WILL/HAVE voted in more than ONE place....

HE has family members registered in more than ONE place...GUILTY of voter fraud?

In HIS eyes they are....

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And you can prove this?
Feb 9, 2017 1:34PM PST

"HE has family members registered in more than ONE place...GUILTY of voter fraud?"

From what I remember of the election interviews, two of his kids weren't allowed to vote for him in New York because they WEREN'T registered there.

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if you move a lot
Feb 9, 2017 1:56PM PST

I would say a good portion of those who move quite a bit are registered in more than one city. not too many voters will go to the courthouse and deregister themselves when they move to a different city/county/state. for all I know I could be registered in more than on location.

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Good point.
Feb 10, 2017 1:58AM PST

I haven't registered in almost 30 years, in California, but I believe I'm still registered back there. Actual voter participation has been falling off for at least that long, so the governments began simplifying the process, and giving more slack on not voting. (Not requiring reregistration as quickly.)
Now it's swinging the other way, for different reasons. Happy

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In my state there's a cliff
Feb 10, 2017 2:43AM PST

If you miss too many presidential elections, you're erased from the registry.

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(NT) And I think "too many" used to be one or two; more now.
Feb 10, 2017 2:52AM PST
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I believe it's still two cycles here
Feb 10, 2017 4:54AM PST

One really doesn't need to actually vote for a president. I'm not sure they need to vote for anything at all. I imagine it's possible to bypass all the screens and just hit the submit button. I tend to be more interested in local issues anyway. As for people, it's becoming more and more difficult to be well informed about them. You can forget the TV ads and phone calls. I did jury service under one of our judges years ago and was very impressed by her in the courtroom. I'd re-elect her any day.

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You're right.
Feb 10, 2017 5:11AM PST

"As for people, it's becoming more and more difficult to be well informed about them."
But I'm told* that most of your fellow voters can't handle more than the sound bites.

* But not by the internet, so that may not be true.

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my state is two
Feb 10, 2017 1:01PM PST

the problem is a lot of times when it is time for the clerks to purge the rolls, there are lawsuits from one party or the other claiming it hurts the minorities or whatever.

I think the only way to solve this problem is to have a voter registration national database.