you get hooked and lose all interest in anything else. You also sacrifice the ability to think independently. When was the last time a leftist here criticized the Democrats?
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'Democrats have good reason to be aghast ...
They tried yesterday to portray him as just another cruel, rich Republican for suggesting any cuts in future benefits, but that's not what the prime-time audience saw on Thursday night. By proposing to shore up the system while protecting low-income workers, Mr. Bush raised a supremely awkward question for Democrats: which party really cares about the poor?
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Democrats like to portray Mr. Bush as King George or Marie Antoinette. But on Thursday night, when he promised to improve benefits for the poor while limiting them for everyone else, he sounded more like Robin Hood, especially when he rhapsodized about poor people getting a chance to build up assets that they could pass along to their children.
It was the kind of talk you might expect to hear from a Democrat, except that Democrats don't talk about much these days except the glories of the New Deal. They know that Social Security doesn't even have the money to sustain a program that leaves millions of elderly people in poverty. But it's their system, and they're sticking to it.
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A real quandry for the Democrats because again the unwashed masses are starting to see that far from trying to help them the Democrats have a history of keeping them down and reliant on Democrats for handouts to keep the party base. As the last few elections have shown that base is dwindling rapidly as low income voters have begun REALLY seeing what is in their BEST INTERESTS.
I guess those poor, ignorant, unwashed masses have started understanding that "I think you are bright enough to invest for your future" from Conservatives is a whole lot better and yes, compassionate, than "You don't have the intelligence to invest your own money so we think we better do it for you" from the Liberals.
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And he's been about the only one I recall. But memory is the first to go, ya know! 
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which make some of us sorry at times for the "flock shooting" approach that is easiest for getting a point across.
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First turn SS, which everyone but he and other far rightists revere, into a welfare plan, which most people hate. Then start chipping away at it, and he'll have achieved one of his life-long ambitions (according to his B-school professor) -- destroying Social Security, and much of FDR's remaining legacy with it. After all, job security and salary security have already been destroyed by the not-so GOP and its business allies/clients over the last 25 years -- retirement security is the last one left!
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as ss will be broke dave long cold winters i see comeing
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about you Dave.
Social Security as it exists IS a welfare plan. Pure and simple although admittedly partially self funded but then so too are food stamps for those who have been in the work force and taxed on their incomes.
Even FDR (you surely do remember him what with his initiating the Social Security Program) envisioned "voluntary contributory funding" after a thirty year start up process.
"In the important field of security for our old people, it seems necessary to adopt three principles: First, noncontributory old-age pensions for those who are now too old to build up their own insurance. It is, of course, clear that for perhaps 30 years to come funds will have to be provided by the States and the Federal Government to meet these pensions. Second, compulsory contributory annuities that in time will establish a self-supporting system for those now young and for future generations. Third, voluntary contributory annuities by which individual initiative can increase the annual amounts received in old age. It is proposed that the Federal Government assume one-half of the cost of the old-age pension plan, which ought ultimately to be supplanted by self-supporting annuity plans."
- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Message to Congress on Social Security, Jan. 17, 1935.
It is you and the other ultra liberals who are, despite their imaginings, so very transparent.
Republicans have NEVER been advocates for the Welfare State and have a longer and better history of assisting people to get on their feet where they in turn can help others rather than keeping them down in the ghetto as a dependant political base voting themselves money.
"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
--Benjamin Franklin
How much has your job security and salary security gone down over the last 25 years Dave? It hasn't even though you are NOT performing the job that you were hired and are still paid for--THAT is what is egregious and destructive and yes, inflationary.
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."
--Vladimir Lenin
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Uh, I don't think the GOP has been "in control" for the last 25 years, or even a majority of it.
job security and salary security
IMO the most recent onslaught to both has been NAFTA, with it's good and (maybe mostly) bad results. And that is as much of a joint, bi-partisan effort as any. And perhaps a good example of how gridlock can be useful, such stuff doesn't get done.
And of course just more world wide economy in general has lessen security here at home.
Unless we're going to try to hold other countries subservient to our economy needs, we'll need to recognize and try to deal with the realities of world markets.
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has been a time of secret GOP plots and schemes against everyone who isn't rich... they want to axe Welfare, Medicaid/care, SS, NEA endowments... but worst of all, they want to turn everyone into a country music fan.
Or at least that's what many Democrats believe.
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