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Democrat debate schedule? I'm wondering this too

Sep 17, 2015 12:29PM PDT
Democrat debates behind schedule?

Is it just a shortage of participants or a strategy? So far, all I've seen is Hillary's dog and pony show. She must be running out of gender cards to play as well. And her talk about giving people more paid family leave? Surely that idea sits well with potential employers sitting on the fence as far as increasing their hiring. I'd think they'd be more interested in paying people to work rather than sit at home. She's got to be kidding. And Biden?? Is his job to jump in only if Hilary takes a big enough dive?

I'd really like to see a moderate non-politician join the fray on that side. Have the Democrats no answer for the three non-politicians leading the Republican race?

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If I remember correctly
Sep 17, 2015 1:38PM PDT

The DNC chair Wasserman said a few weeks back that there were only going to be three Dem debates and none will start until October sometime. Haven't heard anything since then.

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Re: And her talk about giving people more paid family leave?
Sep 17, 2015 1:54PM PDT

And her talk about giving people more paid family leave? Surely that idea sits well with potential employers sitting on the fence as far as increasing their hiring.

Senate Republicans Offer Their Own Paid Family Leave Proposal

Republican senators on Tuesday reintroduced a measure that would extend paid family leave protections for U.S. workers, offering a GOP alternative to a Democratic proposal put forth days earlier on a topic that could be a defining issue heading into the 2016 presidential race.

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But their proposal is a mean one, isn't it?
Sep 17, 2015 2:34PM PDT

From your link

"The Family Friendly and Workplace Flexibility Act would allow employers and employees in the private sector to come to agreements by which hourly workers could put overtime earned toward paid leave rather than extra compensation...

A similar system exists for employees in the public sector. However, private companies employing hourly, non-exempt employees are required under the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act to pay time-and-a-half for overtime work. The Republican proposal would amend that law, letting employers voluntarily offer an hour and a half in compensatory time off for every hour of overtime worked. The employee could choose whether to accept the leave time or the overtime pay."


As you see, it's not a gift but an alternative for work actually performed. Employees can bank their overtime and trade it for leave. Is that OK by you? Sounds fine to me.

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Re:bank their overtime
Sep 17, 2015 7:33PM PDT

And what about "businesses" that don't have any "overtime"?

The business will "make" overtime?

They want you to work 1 and 1/2 times as hard/fast during your regular work week?

Study Finds Calif. Paid Family Leave a Success

California’s landmark paid family leave program—the first of only two state programs in the country that offer paid leave to workers to care for a new child or sick family member—has produced significant economic, social and health benefits for workers while the downside for employers has been minimal, according to a report released Jan. 11, 2011.

California’s Paid Family Leave law, which went into effect July 1, 2004, allows workers in private industry to take up to six weeks a year off to care for a new child or a sick family member. It supplements the federal Family and Medical Leave Act, which allows up to 12 weeks off, but is unpaid. Payments under the California program replace 55 percent of a worker’s weekly wages up to $987 in 2011. The program is funded through a 1.2 percent payroll tax paid by workers that covers both state disability and paid family leave.

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I see...another tax
Sep 18, 2015 2:42AM PDT

and not company "good will".

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Re: I see...another tax
Sep 18, 2015 3:51AM PDT

You think people should get something for nothing? Somewhere, sometime, someone has to pay.

Have you ever wished/thought you would like to be able to take some time off work to help another person or group, BUT your employer would object?

"good will" on your part AND your employers part? YOU pay, and YOUR employer works around YOUR absence?

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Good reply
Sep 18, 2015 4:03AM PDT

You're starting to get it. What goes into one person's pocket comes out of that of another person. Sometimes a person might want to hold onto their own pocket flaps rather than have another person lift and remove the contents without their approval. There's a name for that.

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Margaret Thatcher said it best
Sep 18, 2015 4:13AM PDT

With Socialism, sooner rather than later, you run out of other people's money.

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RE: There's a name for that.
Sep 18, 2015 4:40AM PDT

A form of Xenonosocomiophobia?

Sometimes a person might want to hold onto their own pocket flaps rather than have another person lift and remove the contents without their approval.

Next time you're taking advantage of a government paid benefit....I hope you thank ALL the people that pay into THAT benefit that haven't used THAT benefit.

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Most of those who
Sep 18, 2015 5:47AM PDT

don't use the benefit are ones who actually die before they can or shortly after they start.

Social Security for years has been called a Ponzi scheme, and I agree with that comparison.........however, it would still be very solvent if government didn't decide years ago to include those who become disabled as well as never setting it up as a separate entity where agencies couldn't 'borrow' from it for pet projects that usually failed with no way to pay it back.

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Of course you'd only need to thank those
Sep 18, 2015 6:12AM PDT

who gave out of personal desire to do so, right? Those who did so unwillingly or grudgingly won't care to say "you're welcome".

Now if you're really into doing charitable works, I can try to explain something contained in the context of what is called "stewardship" which means we really own nothing. What we give from that which is in our possession is our thanks for what we have received...as what we have received is the opportunity to give.

Mull that one over and see if your head will keep from spinning off.

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So, it's NOT ........................
Sep 18, 2015 7:49AM PDT
WE the people.

It's every man for himself.
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"WE" is the human race.
Sep 18, 2015 9:27AM PDT

"WE" is less than perfect. (grammar error intentional) That is one reason why "WE", as a collective, make laws based on punishment rather than reward. "WE" don't know how to encourage the goodness in people but only how to discourage them from being bad. "WE", being less than perfect, make imperfect laws. Thus, our laws don't work that well.