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Democracy Now - Memorial day 2012

by crowsfoot / May 28, 2012 7:52 PM PDT
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Returning the medals to show solidarity with
by Steven Haninger / May 29, 2012 2:56 AM PDT

the people of those countries...and apologizing for the destruction they've caused? Maybe my idea of reconciliation is all wet but wouldn't the most sincere way to express their sorrow be to just ask the people of Iraq and Afghanistan to stay there and work off their debts rather than return to the US?

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Brainwashed morons like that make me want to PUKE!!
by Tony Holmes / May 29, 2012 7:21 AM PDT

My entire family has a history of defending this country with honor.Idiots like that dishonor the memory of all Vets who served.

An uncle I never knew has been in Hawaii for the last 70 or so yrs,in the hulk of USS Arizona (BB39),he was a fire control officer 3rd class.I still can't bring myself to visit the memorial.I remember my father(rip) telling me about his brother,Lou(Lowell)as his six brothers called him,had moved down south and enlisted in the Navy.

http://my.execpc.com/~dschaaf/arizdead.html

If I understand the gist of that link correctly,those friggin morons are apologizing for atrocities that WE have done??? Give me a friggin break.

I would like to have a "nice,friendly discussion" with any one of them.!!!!!

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You believe that site?
by James Denison / May 29, 2012 11:12 AM PDT

Hah, I'd like more proof these were actual veterans released with honorable discharges and who received such medals. It may be nothing more than those 30-50 year old "students" you see in news reports of riots by "students" in various foreign countries.

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I expected some reactions like this.
by crowsfoot / May 30, 2012 3:21 PM PDT
In reply to: You believe that site?

I don't know how many of these people are what they represent themselves to be. Without doing the research, I would think - most.

Given that at least some accually did serve, some for maybe 10 years now in theater, I just wondered how much we thought it would hurt us to listen to their actual words. Their actual complaints. If only for 20 minutes or so. Just as a matter of respect. They obviously have very strong feelings.

We're always condeming - not listening to the generals on the ground. How about the grunts?

What WERE they were saying? Do you even remember? Maybe you got offended before you even listened.

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Do you see yourself as some kind of representative of the
by crowsfoot / May 30, 2012 4:12 PM PDT

Thought Police?

You (or any of us) are not damaged in any way that I can see by these patriot's words. We owe them at least to say what they think. And 20 minutes of our time.

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I've been to pep-rallies in elementry school.
by crowsfoot / May 30, 2012 4:57 PM PDT

In high school. At Texas Tech. SMU. And North Texas. I've been a player and a pep'er.

I have never thought (or believed) that negitive thoughts had any effect whatsoever on the outcome of an individual game. I have, however, run unendingly into people who claim they did.

If our whole American Exceptionalism thing is what's jacking up the raw hatred of listening... let us take a serious look at that.

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IMO
by crowsfoot / May 30, 2012 5:56 PM PDT

What has made America exceptional, is our unique acceptance that there actually is a commonds. An acceptance that what lifts up the rich is a union with labor. We had this understanding until Ronny Reagan.

Since then, there has been a concerted, dileberate, effort to give our advantage away. Yes, there are people in other countries who are (and always have been) willing and able to do the same jobs that we've always done. It's also true that at some point, and in some way, we would have to come to grips with that. But Reagan didn't tell us that. Oh no! What he did was to take the rich out of the paying of our bills. Something we have never done before. He ran up the debt. Delberatly inorder to kill our bond. On the flip side of peasantizing our own, cheap illegal labor was incouraged to come in.

Cheap labor is crack-cocain to capital. To inheirited money. Not just in the distribuation of money. But also to divide and conquer politics. In the past, there was a consistence that education was (for an example) seen as an investment that we all benefited from.

We are marching backwards. We are increasing the demononization and condemnation of whatever conection we all have had between labor and money. Are we really so fearful that a totaly cowed and obeyant underclass, will nessassarily hurt the kings of this pile of words?

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I could say it's suprising,
by crowsfoot / May 30, 2012 8:59 PM PDT
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the total lack of respect. One would think that those who shared a similar experence would find a way to disagree that didn't denigrate the individual so.

But that just goes to show what has always been my expereance with athority. Enough is never enough. One is not just expected to go along, or even just to agree. To what ever extent one disagrees, that's how low he's expected to bow and scrape. Even to the extent where listening is somehow unpatriotic.

I put it to you that it wasn't the home front that so much spit on the returning VietNam vets. It was the other. The authoritarian bunch themselves. There's never two sides, or even a side and a half a side, to authoritarians.

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